Not everyone that lives or comes from America is RICH!

Is it really so impossible to live without TV set in the US? ;)

When you start talking like that, it's scary. What if that devestates the country by shrinking the economy? We have to tread carefully, not do anything too hasty and extreme.


Research what the country was like before the fed and you will see how much growth and progress has occurred because of it. The fed has not been entirely bad.


Which isn't always brought on by the person on purpose. It's just bad luck or misfortune.

hasty my butt. It's been ruining the country for 100 years now. Slurping off the profits of the people to build their military machine so they can continue robbing us, that's what I see.

My family all came here around 1900. They were not paid to come here, they did not receive aid of any kind. They worked and they prospered on their own.

Tell me please, who are all these other people who need so much help and economic assistance to do what a few pollacks were able to do with only their bare hands a hundred years ago?

I should have said internet access... ;)
But, it's all relative.. in Florida, for example, it's possible to live even without a home!
My definition of true hardship is not being able to work for extended amount of time.
I don't even consider those that are losing their houses as true hardship. I've watched that whole process - people were buying houses on a bet that their prices will keep rising, then when the sh1t hit the fan they simply stopped paying their mortgage, got themselves number of months of free rent before reposession, and now they are free to go wherever they want.

The fed has paid for so much, it's made everyone's life easier in so many ways. Next time you take a drive to your local supermarket in your automobile on asphalt roads, thank the fed. We have progressed because of it. Let's not turn our back on our awesome civilization! I believe we will prevail and be stronger for it. We must not turn our back on technology. Super conductors and hydrogen vehicles will be the beginning of a second industrial age that will generate even greater wealth than the first. We have to let the fed do it's job! We need that technology. Companies cannot do it alone. We have to get started on our graphine tubing and that's going to take a lot of start up money.

You're so cute when you start talking technology. :)

If the economy is fake to begin with...


Delegating control of the money supply to a private company...why? Why is it ok for some people to be able to magic money out of thin air? What happens when that trust system collapses? The Fed has give us stead inflation, which is the worst kind of tax because it hits those lease able to afford it.


The Fed didn't pay for anything. Those bankers weren't working on the road crews, nor the quarries to get the rock, or the oil fields to pull the oil. The Fed isn't providing any productivity. They DEVALUE your money year on year.

Gosh if things were really that simple we'd be in good shape.

Road projects are usually handled by the states, just for your information. Every now and then you'll see a 'stimulus' program concerning road projects but generally roads are the states affair.

You can have your supermarket and your junk food, I have no response for that since it assumes we only eat big agra processed food out of the big agra grocery, which is not true here.

Now, those military style checkpoints you see them setting up here and there, those are Federal projects. The TSA is a federal agency but your DOT's are state agencies paid for with state tax dollars.. I'd prefer not to pay for those TSA and HSA projects.

A Federal bill is on the table today as a matter of fact, S510 I believe is the proper name. Look it up. This bill will suit you just fine as a simple supermarket consumer. As for the rest of the country, the people who do things for themselves and don't look for handouts, most say they will simply shoot any federal agents that trespass on their property trying to enforce such an idiotic bill.

I don't think the bill will pass but I must say your support of the Federal govt and it's relations is rather darkly amusing. You know, in North Korea, women just like you who don't want to make waves live in stalls and mate once a year to make babies for the state. Maybe you should do some research on what's going on here and elsewhere.

Personally, I refuse to support their agenda since they (the powers that be) would do exactly the same thing here if they were able. Once upon a time proud Americans hung American flags in front of their houses. Now, in a lot of places in the USA, if you hang an American flag in front of your house you get a citation, a ticket, a fine. Did you know that? It's true. Seems rather silly of me to support a government that is schizophrenic to such a degree that it kicks it's own self in the behind for existing. Who are these people? If you want to work and sweat and even bleed to support their militarization that's up to you. Maybe you'll get an end stall as reward.

Yeah, roads are paid for with fuel taxes.

Roads are paid for by you and I by proxy to make it seem like the government paid for it. Better option, lets just pay it directly and cut out of the middleman?

This seems to be turning into the political thread again...

America-hating Liberals.

"The Rich attribute to the gods what they got by Luck" Aristotle


Ron Paul wants to go back to the Gold Standard which would massively restrict our money supply. We (Americans) need to make sure that money circulates until we get our manufacturing back.


Ethanol w/water will get you hydrogen in a high compression engine. In the mean time use E-85. The car that won the high mpg test was designed to run ethanol. Ford has a flex fuel that gets the same mileage with E-85 & gas.

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$80,000 isn't exactly pocket change, man.

The Exclusion Amount The foreign earned income exclusion is adjusted annually for inflation. For 2009, the maximum exclusion is up to $91,400 per qualifying person.

irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=108276,00.html

i guess my number was a little outdated.

so.....

$91,400 isn't exactly pocket change, man.

I wasn't picking on you and your numbers. My point was that convex is right and that double taxation is wrong. At the same token it doesn't affect many people and as far as I know giving up US citizenship is the only way to avoid the tax (I read somewhere that last year ~450 people or so did just that).

Atta girl Cheehaw, you tell um like it is.. You say it much better than I can. You are my kind of woman.

What the heck are you talking about ?

Thank the tax-exempt "non-partisan" (LOL) ACLU for it. The states are terrified of getting slammed with lawsuits and the special tax code ACLU enjoys allows them to keep doing it. If ACLU sues a state and loses they're NOT responsible for the court costs of the entity they sued, something that's a common procedure otherwise.

Remember a few years back when some Ramadan and Kwanzaa (African American created holiday to celebrate the black culture) supporters complained about the attention Christmas was getting? For the next few years many state buildings but also Target, wal-mart, etc., called Christmas trees holiday trees and Christmas greetings became holiday greetings, etc. Paranoia at it's best. The irony of all the ACLU lawsuits is that they're supposedly making sure citizens's rights are protected - yet ACLU's co-founder Roger Nash Baldwin was an avid communist and proud of it too. I guess "civil rights" didn't apply to the citizens of Soviet Union... To his credit he denounced communism in the late 40's once the rumors of Soviet prisoner gulags had become very rampant.. Better late than never I guess...

The amount isn't the point, it's the concept. The US is one of the only countries that taxes based on worldwide income. On a side note, that's not even €70k..and amount easily reachable without too much effort in quite a few places on the globe. There's also an exemption for housing, but it's quite low as well


It affects quite a few people who are stupid enough to declare worldwide income (quite a few of us idiots around though). Those 450 people a year are fairly high net worth productive individuals...it's not many people, granted, but on the other hand, the US doesn't have all that many multimillionaires and billionaires. Some pretty famous folks have given up their passports for tax reasons. There's also an exit tax :)

No, not everyone that comes from America is rich...an appropriate quote, "some are, some aren't".


Merry Christmas from the ACLU.

If I sue a state and lose, I'm not responsible for the governments legal fees. If Boeing sues a city over an issue and loses, they're not responsible for the governments legal fees.

You're joking! how much?


Quite easily done in Switzerland and Luxembourg, I imagine!

Depends on the assets you have. Basically, you have to pay an artificial capital gains tax on all your assets as if you sold them immediately (including retirement plans). I don't know more than that.


The problem is after €70k, you're double taxed. So, if you're making say €120k in Poland, you'd take home a little over €70k. That's an additional €14k that goes over to the US for no particular reason... The larger the amount, the bigger hit. Everything over about €140k ends up being taxed at around 80-85%.

The question of America being such a paradise as to making money is a tricky one.
On the one hand it is definitely true as lots immigrants relatively soon buy their own house and send their kids to colleges. On the other hand it is an utter nonsense. In the end I think it depends on the individual, and it is generally accepted (though I doubt it's a rule of thumb) that (e/i)migrants appear to have a bit more zeal and guts to succeed than those already native to the country.

Look at Wroclaw Boy. The odds might seem impossible. A lone wolf with a drive and he seems to have made it. And then look at millions upon millions of Americans (born in the USA) and yet scraping by from food stamp to food stamp? What's up with that?

You guys are way off subject, the guy who posted this thread wanted to know why people in Poland tend to think that if you live in the US than you must be rich.

Having said that, I would like to expand the subject, I’ve noticed that there is another stereotype about English speakers, closely related in the mindset from the above statement.

Many people in Poland perceive the ability to Speak English as a definite sign of an unusual “intelligence” and regardless of the obvious douchebaggery of the English speaker, they continue on worshiping that person. Interestingly enough, I have noticed that some people are getting hooked on that mentality set (the English speakers)… I call it snobbism, other people may have a more elaborate explanation.

I'm actually interested what people think about this.

I think that you will find that the average American is not on food stamps. It is the minorities that abuse this program. Three out of every four American Blacks are born out of wedlock. They are the abusers. Our problem in America is children bearing children that they cannot afford.

because it has something to do with your credit score and not with how many years you've been working.

Yea credit score..Phuck credit score since it doesn't come free.I had none ,no good,no bad one.Went to a bank to ask about $5k loan,a week earlier had twice that amount on my account.They told me to deposit 5k and then they will lend me 5k.I was like "huh?you want me to borrow money from myself and pay you interests?"I closed my account with them.I only wish I could make this kind of deals.

I think, at the moment, people are persuaded to think the 'gold standard' has vanished. But it clearly has not, this is just more federal reserve deception. At the very top, the bankers do not trade currencies, they demand payment in gold. The common denominator of ALL currencies worldwide is still.. gold... In the final analysis, all currencies are still measured against the price of gold. North Dakota has a state bank, they lend only their own money. they are the only state in the nation to do so (far as I know) and they are likewise the only state in the nation to experience real job growth in the past year. Because they don't pay interest to the Federal Reserve (which is a private multi-national corporation), they pay it back to themselves, not strangers.. It would be quite simple enough to follow their example.

I did buy a little hydrogen kit thingy, haven't been quite brave enough to hook it up.. heh. I'll get to it eventually.

They will be ending extended unemployment benefits next month. we'll see just how rich America is then.


I have a zero credit score. Really. zero. Because I don't borrow money. I like it, I don't have to worry about identity theft via credit card fraud.

No, we don't want to do that. That's the only thing we have going is unemployment benefits.

We can't cut the deficit without addressing our economy. They have to be done in unison. Addressing the economy? Import duties, especially on imported oil.

Hydrogen? You'll need a high compression engine. That is you need different pistons or shave some material off the heads or block or both (race car stuff). Get a junk car, rebuild the engine for high compression, enlarge the fuel injectors for ethanol, high performance plugs and use E-85. Add a turbocharger. That's the closest you'll get to hydrogen.

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that's perfectly fine if you have no intentions of ever buying a new car or living in anything other than a rented place of residence.