Dual citizenship - US doesn't care if you don't give up Polish passport

u.s is made up of poles why would they make you deny it? now if you were german that might be a different story but who wants to admit to that.

it's my closet and i don't wish anyone to go digging around in it.. and yes, americans lost a bunch of rights under the patriot act with is a complete misnomer.

the reason for this thread was to bring forward an ethical part of swearing allegience to more than one country. I know most of us don't really care, but there are some that never even considered the issue.

Also, I would like to object, AGAIN, to Mods changing the title of this thread. The original title was "Dual citizenship".

You are uninformed and have a lack of knowledge. That makes you ignorant with regards to this matter. People who have been held prisoner by another country either in or out of a time war or held prisoner by an invading force are not ignorant of these matters. I hope you or your loved ones never need to experience it so that you might continue on in your ignorant state.

sneaky

f stop my point exactly but try explaining that to mentally handicapped people like Delphie. The INS officer's words were " that's something completely different (Polish passport) you keep it" basically being in the States one's an American being back in Poland one's a Pole (unless he/she uses her American passport most don't) also many Poles plan or may go back to Poland for good one day (like my father)

I guess it's safe for him now - the majority are against Lustracja.

Anyway, doesn't matter if the INS allowed you to keep your Polish passport - the point remains that you have sworn to attack Poland if required to do so, traitor.

Really getting the hang of this 'being civil' thing, aren't you.


And his brother is third richest man in the village, there might even be a job waiting for him.

" Based on the U.S. Department of State regulation on dual citizenship (7 FAM 1162), the Supreme Court of the United States has stated that dual citizenship is a "status long recognized in the law" and that "a person may have and exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the responsibilities of both. The mere fact he asserts the rights of one citizenship does not without more mean that he renounces the other," Of course being a citizen of a country gives you certain obligations and benefits, "to defend America against her enemies" doesn't specifically mean it will no doubt draft me out of millions of people to specifically fight Poland, out of all the nations on this earth, now does it?

PB is right, you don't have to give up your Polish citizenship to get an American one. You can have the best of both worlds.

You actually swore to defend against "all enemies" and, while it is amusing to see you lying about what you swore, the fact is that you swore you'd fight for the USA against Poland if the two again become enemies. And of course you also swore that you'd bear arms when lawfully ordered to do so, and you most certainly can be drafted, which means you've sworn to attack Poland whenever lawfully ordered to do so. This is what makes you a traitor and not a Pole.

You don't have to give it up, but you do have to pledge to attack Poland if required to do so.

Certainly, no Polish patriot would ever do such a thing.

I don't recall Poland and America ever "really" being enemies, if you lived in Poland during communist times (like I did) you'd know Poles resented communism, the Soviet Union and all of it's policies, America was thought of as a friend that stood for freedom even the communists felt that way only couldn't say it openly. Poland was under Soviet occupation, the Soviets dictated our foreign policy. Everyone knew that listen to Reagan's speech.




Yes that's EXACTLY what that means LOL, that I of all people will undoubtedly be drafted to fight in an inevitable war with Poland, any day now HAHA. Being born in Poland to Polish parents, being a citizen and fluently speaking the language makes me a Pole, u none of the above. Keep trying harder.

Yes, that the law. But I'll leave it to people to decide. I'm not in a possition to judge anybody.

It means that you swore you will attack Poland whenever lawfully ordered to do so by the govt of the USA. Nobody but a traitor would volunteer to swear to attack a nation they claim to be a member of.


Is that why Poland joined the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia? Did your daddy make the vehicles Poles used for that or hadnt he started his career as a collaborator by then?

Probably best if we don't discuss your parents, despite you bringing them up, you do tend to become less than civil when it is pointed out that your father was a collaborator who armed the regime and joined the party before fleeing when his crimes were about to come to light.

Do not worry about us fighting Poland Harry, Poland is a member of NATO but Israel is not.

All the big Jews, everyone, such as Chertoff, Emmanuel ets. all dual citizens...So, why not Poles?...Poles do not swindle US taxpayer, nor do they push for/start disastrous wars.

It's actually against the law (see the Oath quoted above) BUT the law is not now nor has it ever been enforced. Many more important things to worry about.

The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) neither defines dual citizenship nor takes a position for it or against it. There has been no prohibition against dual citizenship, but some provisions of the INA and earlier U.S. nationality laws were designed to reduce situations in which dual citizenship exists. Although naturalizing citizens are required to undertake an oath renouncing previous allegiances, the oath has never been enforced to require the actual termination of original citizenship.

Although the U.S. Government does not endorse dual citizenship as a matter of policy, it recognizes the existence of dual citizenship and completely tolerates the maintenance of multiple citizenship by U.S. citizens. In the past, claims of other countries on dual-national U.S. citizens sometimes placed them in situations where their obligations to one country were in conflict with the laws of the other. However, as fewer countries require military service and most base other obligations, such as the payment of taxes, on residence and not citizenship, these conflicts have become less frequent. As a result, there has been a dramatic increase in recent years in the number of people who maintain U.S. citizenship in other countries.

Lots of people know about the benefits of US citizenship, here's a little downside. The US is one of the few countries in the world that taxes your world wide income. As a US citizen, if you move to Poland, you still get to pay taxes in the US (there's an exemption, but it's fairly easy to hit). Double taxation goodness. If you ever decide to give up your US citizenship, it's quite an expensive endeavor if you've got any kind of assets in the US. Just throwing that out there...bed time.

Believe me people are masters at making sure they get the most out of their stay here, like maxing out all their credits cards.

sounds like a whole bunch of criminals

Last time I checked, treason was still a crime. And a citizen who volunteers to swear that he will help a foreign power make war against his parent nation is guilty of treason.

Just on a side note ...

Quite a lot of people (here) have some sympathy for Geert Wilders. The subject of a double nationality has created heated debates in the Netherlands, not least from the side of Geert Wilders. He argues that people with a double nationality also have a double loyalty and that they don't want to integrate into Dutch society. Therefore he says a double nationality should be banned.

He feels vert strongly about ministers and under-secretaries with a double nationality. He says they should give up their second passport when being voted into office, because other countries/governments will gain undue influence in the Dutch government. If a foreign government wants to influence Dutch politics, they only have to contact the minister of under secretary with the double nationality to get things done. Until now, he has filed motions against ministers with a Maroccan, Turkish and Swedish passport.

Many people in the Netherlands feel that a double nationality should be outlawed, mainly because they feel that it stands in the way of integration into Dutch society.

I think you take the whole oath thing too seriously.Also don't confuse "a nation" with " a state".Am I willing to fight against Polish people?No.Am I willing to fight against the state of Poland (as it is now)?Any given day.Matter of fact I am waiting for Polish people to revolt against the state of Poland.It's coming.

Why would Polish people revolt against their own democratic country?

If they don't like it - it's easy enough to elect a party with a 2/3rds majority in the Sejm/Senat, as well as a President which will endorse the ending of the III RP and start a new Polish state.

Why did Tunesian and Egyptians revolt against their own democratic countries.Dude just because crooks running the country call it democratic it don't mean it really is.Why over 50% of voters don't even vote?I tell you why,because they already learned that it won't change anything.Now,can you read Polish?If so,read comments on Polish sites like Onet or Interia.The anger is growing.If it wasn't for the EU accesion which allowed MILIONS to emigrate there would be already revolt comparable with French revolution.But why do we Poles have to emigrate from OUR country and become despised immigrants all over the world?F u c k that,it's time to hang Polish speaking crooks an take back our country.It's coming,mark my words.

Those were hardly democratic countries!


It's a vocal minority with nothing better to do than sit online and whine all day. The same people are usually on "renta" and have precious little to do but complain because the country isn't giving them everything they want.


I'll be sleeping soundly tonight.

This is the approach that the Japanese take: it is impossible to be a dual national if you have Japanese citizenship. If a child is born to a mixed couple (i.e. one parent isn't Japanese) or born in a country which follows the jus soli principle, that child can hold both passports but at the age of 21 must choose to either keep the Japanese citizenship and give up the other or retain the other. Although with that said, there are some lex sanguinis rights (e.g. right to reside in Japan) which are retained.

Personally I'm much in favour of the rule that if one takes up a new citizenship, one should be required to renounce all claim to any other citizenships one may qualify for. While there are certainly some arguments in favour of lex sanguinis rights, it is clearly not possible for a person to have complete loyalty to more than one nation. Which is why persons who make use of their original nationality after gaining US citizenship will most probably be denied security clearance in the USA, especially if there is a family history of being collaborating traitors.

No intelligent person does take some oath seriously. Everyone knows you'll think of yourself as a Pole.

So - you're saying that you treat the oath of citizenship (which is a very serious deal to Americans) as a joke?

Nice to see that not only have you betrayed Poland, but you're also disrespecting your host country. Your father really did teach you well!