Who is better informed, the expat or the Polonia crowd?

Still claiming that the dumb US Polonia know what's best for Poland, despite the US and Canada being the only two places in the entire world where PiS won?

Anyway, it's far more likely that Kaczynski will be led away in handcuffs - his actions as Prime Minister are very, very questionable.

Because Polonia will never have to live under a PiS government, which means they can vote according to the way that they think other people should live and not according to the way that they themselves wish to live. They get that smug self-righteous satisfaction but none of the disadvantages of their actions. It's just yet another example of the inherent selfishness of Polonia. Just look at the way that they bang on and on and on here about how Poland is going down the toilet, but as soon as one points out that they are more than welcome to come to Poland and do something to help Poland, they change the topic.

I wonder how the 70% vote for the far-left wing economically PiS reconciles with their voting for Romney?

Becuase Romney -- hardly the ideal candidate -- to decent. upright Polonians is the only way to prevent Obama's re-election. TA least Romney, depstie his excessive por-corproate leaning, is for traditonal family values, and that's what really counts. It's just like the Polish bozos who didn't like Tusk but voted for him to defeat PiS.

But in Poland decent folk are saying these days: Wracaj Jarek do koryta, lepszy karzeł niż bandyta!
Return to the trough, Jarek, we just can't stand it -- a midget like you's better than a bandit (like Tusk)!

Very easily: PiS represents how they think other people should live but Romney represents how they themselves want to live.

And, of course, they'd support anybody who opposes the man who they describe to their friends as "that niggger in the White House".

And this is exactly for the language like yours that I do not buy or read "piśmidła" distributed for free in GTA by a hateful of North American "pismaki/buraki" of Polish extraction. Not only they are good for nothing but advertising food and real estate, not only they are boring and below any acceptable intelligence standard to be called a newspaper, but they also use the PROPAGANDA language from the old PRL times, which you supposedly hate so much. You are now one of them Polonius3 - a master of commie-like propaganda methods. Congratulations!

Just compare:

"It will be a great day for Poland and Polonia when Donald T. is led away in handcuffs" - Polonius3.
"Each provocateur or a madman who dares to raise a hand against the people's rule, be sure that that hand will be chopped off by the people's power." - Cyrankiewicz

"Solidarity leader Piotr Duda said on TVN24 on Saturday he would recommend to the trade union’s authorities to join an anti-government march in Warsaw on September 29. He said Solidarity would cooperate with all groups who want the current government to land in the trash bin of history. Its motto will be: 'Wake up, Poland!'" - Polonius3

"Be vigilant against the enemy of the nation!" - PRL propaganda

"There is a saying that every country has the kind of government it deserves. If that is true then Poles must like or at least tolerate the empty slogans of the bland, don't-rock-the-boat Tusk clique and all its hand-washes-hand connections and old-boy networks in the business, media and, in many cases, gangster underworld. - Polonius3

"Stonka ziemniaczana - pasiasty dywersant." ("Colorado potato beetle - a striped saboteur.") - PRL propaganda

"To the foaming-at-the-mouth critics of IV RP, do you really believe corruption and non-transparnet behind-the-scenes dealings should be ignored or swept under the rug. Or should they be tackled head on? PiS tried to do that by then it was too late." - Polonius3

"Wzmożona kontrola dźwignią społecznego zaufania" ("Increased public control - a lever for social trust") - propaganda PRL

It's very interesting - thank you for your comparison!

The similarity in language between PiS and the PZPR is really quite incredible. Perhaps Polonius would like to comment as to why he uses language similar to the PZPR?


What decent folk? The same ones that I personally witnessed attack a young boy for speaking his mind?

I hear some opinions that some vote for how other must live. Yes there are those, but there are also those who left the country and vote for PiS for example, then if PiS gets in to power and improves Poland as they hope they will, they will probably return. The reason they vote is so that they can return. If they do not plan to go back ever again, then yeah there probably is not much point in voting. Although having said that, some people who live in say, the USA, still care about Poland and want it to be run by decent patriotic people, that is why, even though they do not live there, they still vote for what they consider to be the best government.

The US Polonia will never return - they might come over and insult us here, but they'll never return permanently. Life is too different here - how often have we seen them tell us how we should be living? PiS could never change Poland to the extent that they would want - especially as many of them claim to be against Obama's policies.


They often haven't got a clue about Polish politics. During the last Presidential election, I read some Polonia garbage newspapers there - and they were claiming that Kaczynski was the "Conservative" candidate. Yet - as we all know - he's a huge socialist and not economically conservative at all. As for "patriotic" people - given that the definition of patriotic is to love your country - the PiS government certainly didn't love Poland, for they turned it into a international laughing stock at the time.

They really should just keep their nose out of Polish affairs. They're long gone and won't be coming back.

New Zealand has it right with the 2 year abroad rule - any longer, and no vote for you.

(also worth pointing out - PO won solidly everywhere else in the world, even among the armed forces)

I can only speak for myself and I'll tell you Harry, I support Romney because Obama sucks as a president and just about anyone will be a better president than him. Not that Romney is perfect though.

I was not referring to them when talking about returning Polonia. I was referring more to some of the young Polish crowd in Britain that consider themselves very patriotic and are pro PiS. You cannot say they are misinformed since they have lived in Poland until not long ago.

I think the UK is ten years out and no vote. Or perhaps 15 years. Either way, I've never voted in the UK while living in Poland: it just wouldn't be right.

Although I understand that there are moves afoot at the EU level to force the UK to allow British people to vote in British elections regardless of where they live in the EU. Just as there are also moves afoot to stop Poland being so stupid as to give the vote in Poland to Americans who have never even been to Poland.

It just worries me as a Catholic, to see what Poland might turn in to if, going abroad for over a particular amount of time, you lose your write to vote. This way if too many Polish people leave and too many expats with completely different values to those that were traditionally Polish, move in and start voting for how the country should be run, Poland will cease to be Poland.

Then if they're so worried about it, they should stay. Patriotic people, by definition, love their country - so why would they ever want to leave?

Anyway, it would take a considerable amount of demographic change to really alter anything. England is still heavily Conservative - immigration has changed nothing, really.


Leave them be - the UK voting figures are entirely in line with what happened in Poland. The huge queues seen in London in 2007 certainly were representative of the mood among young people!

It is strange to me that someone could be pro-PiS and yet willingly move to a country which is far more socially liberal. Then again, the UK doesn't ban drinking of Tyskie outside...


I need to double check, but I think the law on citizenship puts a stop to many of the Polonia, due to the requirement of requiring a State Certificate in the Polish Language. It must surely apply to citizenship by descent as well as by naturalisation, surely?

I think the feeling is different now. Back then people left during the PiS leadership and voted for PO here. Now many are fed up of the PO government and vote for PiS. Many are also leaving because of PO. The weird exceptions are those that left during the PO government because they were tired of the quality of life in Poland under it, yet they still vote PO who promise to improve at the elections and talk about how terrible it would be under PiS. Then when they win it is the same old same old.

That is why 70% of the people vote non-PIS ?
I thought that the ones leaving Poland, are doing this for purely material reasons. Do not tell me you are living in the UK because you are afraid of the Polish Prime Minister. Rather to earn a lot of money perhaps?

Sadly, it does not. The point about jus sanguinis is that one is born a citizen of the country in question. That is why those who claim Polish citizenship by descent only ever need to apply for confirmation of citizenship and not citizenship itself.

Of course there should be a requirement in the process of gaining confirmation of citizenship for a person to pass the same language exams as those who wish to claim citizenship by naturalisation. Although I personally would go a long way further and limit anybody who claims to be Polish by descent to just having a 'right of return' which would give them the ability to live in Poland while they acquired citizenship through naturalisation.

Hahahahaha! Harry wants to claim that a race riot in Chicago instigated by Irish-Americans was actually a "pogrom" started by Polish-Americans who targeted blacks because they couldn't find any Jews! That has to be the stupidest lie I have ever read on this forum.


Drawing Polonophobic conclusions from lies, as Harry does, is absolutely ridiculous and it also points out the fact that Harry is a racist of the "philosemitic" variety who doen't care about the truth as long as his Polish "enemies" are denigrated and blamed for the suffering of Jews.

When it was pointed out to Harry thet Polish-Americans didn't start the race riot he replies:


No, Harry, it was never the "standard excuse" to blame this race riot on any of the enthnic groups that you've listed. The fact that you would try to claim that Polonians are guilty of a "pogrom" in this ridiculous manner just shows how irrational and desperate you are to spread Polonophobic lies upon this forum.

As for the thread's titular question. The Polonian boletus has shown in this thread that it is he who is the best informed and the most rational poster on the thread.

Not only are the Polonians better informed than the expat crowd, but Harry's ridiculous attempt to smear us has also provided us with such an irrational example of idiocy, that it has made Polonians the most jovial posters on the forum too! Hahahahaha! Polonia is laughing at you!

Of course, one would need to have actually visited Poland in order to judge whether expats or Polonia know better about Poland and things Polish. Remind us when you were last here.

Yes, the Polonialandists live in their PIS-ghetto, longing back to the good old times when everybody in Poland "knew his place".
I.e. kowtowing to the local aristocrat, putting a blind eye when the local priest was getting close with the girls in the village, beating a Jew or two in the process...

Unfortunately for them this country has moved on.

It was exceptionally stupid, even for a poster who's never been shy about writing stupid things.


Yeah at some point during the PiS government I realized that they were trying to re-create a Poland that never existed (and they didn't realize that). Of course they failed and short of catastrophe they'll never be elected again (as they radicalized many apolitical people against them). They still have their core constituency but it's not enough to win a major election as long as other parties seem roughly more interested in moving to the future rather than turning Poland into a big open air skansen.

Tusk and his scam artist mates, corrupt officials, crooked buisnessmen, gangster pals and other shady types will not let Poland become a skansen. Have the Balcerowiczes and Rostowskis sell off what little there is left of Poland's national assets, line their pockets and turn the country into one giant sh*thole... Throw in the dealers and their pothead customers, the TIR-ówki, and some foreign aid in the person of UK stag partiers, and you get the picture of what lies ahead. Let's do it the Tusk way -- sweep everything under the carpet and blame PiS for every shortcoming.

I think you'll find that dodgy types like those you mention are great more likely too be connected with PiS. We know that here. Just a shame that 'polonia' is so misinformed.

i don't think they are well informed. daily reading Polish news and casual phone conversations are not enough, for example, for voting.
actual living in Poland and experience all that mess is more like it.

Yeah, that damned Tusk and his scam artists..... That must be why Poland has been hit so hard during the current world economic crisis! Just look at the evidence:

thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/108492,Standard-and-Poors-Polands-economic-outlook-remains-stable

Des illustrates wonderfully why the US polonia should never, ever be allowed to vote.

do you think that people who live in Poland and are allowed to vote are more rational then he is?

Just a question of time. Already tricky Don is shaking in hsi boots over the anticipated autumn crunch.

And you just can't wait for Poland to have economic problems! What a horrible excuse for a Pole your are, wanting and licking your lips at the prospect of an entire country to suffer economically so "your" party can win an election. You sicken me.

No, but at least they breathe the same air.


Your lot has been saying that for years now. Don't forget that the only thing on offer by your Dear Leader is spend, spend, spend.


Thing is, they don't view it as their country. That's where all the IV RP stuff comes in - they want the 3rd Republic to fall. It's treasonous at best.


That 30% will never be enough nowadays - the other 70% will make sure of it. Someone like Palikot will never, ever allow PiS near power - for his own vote would collapse (and he would be seen as a betrayer) in the process. Likewise with the SLD - there's just no way that they could risk PiS launching more witchhunts against them. And the PSL vote - which is middle class rural is hardly going to be happy with the prospect of letting in a wreckless spending PiS government.

For all the posturing and claiming that the Government is going to fall - there is really no sign of it on the surface. They seem to be endlessly hoping that some PO parliamentary votes will go their way - totally forgetting that RP are sitting in the wings waiting to prop up the government in exchange for some social concessions.

For all their rhetoric, they still haven't seemed to figure out that negative politics don't work in Poland.


Sorry, but the latest election results don't agree. In the last Sejm election, Kaczynski only got 25% of the overseas vote - which was even less than the share of the PiS vote nationally. Tusk got 40% on the other hand, entirely in line with what PO got.

All the results are showing that overseas voters are rejecting Kaczynski and PiS as a whole. The USA vote is not in line with voters elsewhere - no doubt because they're completely misled by the joke of Polonia media.


I suspect the bank was laughing at Ukrainian-Americans, wasn't it?