Where do most Polish-Americans identify on the political spectrum?

Until there is any criticism from or conflict with any non-Pole, in which case there is sudden unity, even if all the Poles but one think that the other Pole is actually wrong.

it's ok to for us to mess with each other but don't mess with us, if that makes any sense.

A reminder that this is about the political spectrum.

For the Polonia posters here, who would you have voted for in the last election and why? Also, what is your take on parties such as PJN? Thanks!

Seanus, please read the thread before asking dumb questions. The OP made it clear in post #5 quoted below:


There are at least 10 million Polish-Americans and less than 30,000 of them vote in Polish elections.

I'd be willing to bet that none of them even know what PJN means.


30,000 too many.


Mods?

Could you perhaps at least try not to use inflammatory language to describe the comments of other posters?


27,000 at the last election. Which would be about 27,000 more of them who pay any tax in Poland or accept any of the responsibilities which go with being Polish.

It makes perfect sense and that is why this cadre of angry British expatriates, that are so craven that they stoop to the use of ethnic slurs, will always have their obnoxiousness pointed out to them by proud Poles and Polonians upon this forum.

Mods?

It would make perfect sense, if only Poles actually saw Polish-Americans as being Polish. Unfortunately, they don't.

Is anything going to be done about this constant flaming or are other people free to reply in kind?


Why is that in any way unfortunate? Especially given the political leanings of Polish-Americans (i.e. towards the party that the majority of Poles would never vote for)?

I should have written "unfortunately for Polish-Americans", shouldn't I?

It is very interesting to look at why Polish-Americans vote for PiS however - it's obvious that it's based on some sentimental rubbish and not based on the reality on the ground.


We don't lower ourselves to his level, remember? We certainly shouldn't reply to it, apart from to ask the mods about it.

Funny that as I got told by a Mod quite some time go that I wasn't to go too deeply into American politics.

But let me oblige you a little and ask if there are any Newt Gingrich fans here. Who would vote for such a cretin?

Poland: The Unofficial Guide. Aha, so which state is Poland in again?? The state is one of being in the pocket of the US.

One does wonder if they will ever both to do something about it, or even reply. Their silence suggests that they are willing to let a certain Polish-American poster poison the discussion here to the point of toxicity.


And the fact that they will not be affected in any way by the lunacy that a PiS-led government is.

Havok, I don't vote as I'm not a Polish citizen. I'm habitually resident here, yes, but don't follow Polish politics too closely. Enough to see developments and say a few things.

Political affiliation is showing your political colours through taking a side. In America, I believe it's a lesser-of-two-evils scenario. You are better placed to comment on the effects of Obama's domestic decisions but his foreign policy, though leaving much to be desired in many ways, is not as catastrophic as neocon hawks. Giving the green light to attack Iran would be catastrophic and they are all for it on the right.

Havoc, would I be correct in saying that you do not vote in Polish elections?

Were you told that in regards to this thread? I doubt it as this thread is about American politics.


You are in this forum's Polonia-USA/Canada section where American politics may be discussed. If you don't like it then get out.


Really Poland is in the USA's "pocket"? I am not sure about that, but I do know that Britain is a small dog that sits upon the USA's lap and that is why we read alot of Anti-Americanism upon this forum from some of its British expatriate posters. They, being imperialists at heart who believe they are "enlightening" the Poles by deigning to live and work in Poland, are jealous that the glory days of British imperialism are gone and that Britian's place as a worlwide empire has been usurped by the USA.

Thank you for your answer, it looks like Ron Paul would be your guy, that is if you were a US citizen.

Seriously Harry, are you retarded? Can you read what the subject is?

Not this thread, no

Any Polish politicians in America, DE?

Well, I dislike imperialism in any form so I don't see myself as part of that.

Yeah, Ron Paul is very much the guy for me. I follow him and like his principled approach. I loved his attack on Sean Hannity. Hammy is a true disgrace who even made McCain look like the model of moderate ways :)

In all fairness, they don't appear to have been active today, so perhaps they haven't seen it yet. I'm sure they'll deal with the vile abuse in due course.

(aha - just spotted a post moved to the bin, so they'll see this)


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No, we shouldn't. The moral high ground is the traditional British domain, and so it shall stay!

a) Could you please use more civil language.
b) If you don't vote in Polish elections, wouldn't that suggest that you don't really identify with any parts of the Polish political spectrum? I'm assuming that the question refers at least also to the Polish political spectrum, what with this being Polishforums and all that.

Here is a list of 27 although some of those listed are now deceased: famouswhy.com/List/c/Polish-American_politicians


It good that you say that, as imperialism is vile, but ask yourself if you mayn't have subconciously adopted some of the patronizing attitudes of an imperialist.

Much to my surprise, most of them appear to be true Americans.

Can I ask how that is in any way related to the topic of this thread?

Can't you read? The OP clarified the question in the 5th post of this thread. It refers only to American politics.

Much like the vast majority of the 'English-American' presidents listed here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_American#Presidents_of_English_descent

It'd be interesting to compare the political leanings of the Pol-Ams listed to their degree of Polishness.


Are you utterly incapable of civil discourse?

Yes they are true Polish-Americans and their Polishness is a fact that you cannot do anything to change, but please keep trying because your futile antics amuse us. Hahahahahaha!

So perhaps you would care to compare their degree of Polishness to their political leanings? Are the ones who talk about pierogis and Busia more likely (or less likely) to be from a particular part of the political spectrum than those who have actually been to Poland and than those who have done things to help Poland?


I do somewhat fail to see how that falls under the description of 'civil discourse'.

Thanks, DE. What is Letterman doing there at no23?? ;)

Quick question for PolAms here. Why hasn't Obama followed through on the carrot/stick approach with Iran? Easy answer, really.

Patronising attitude of an imperialist?? What do you mean? Being an imperialist is a mind-set which I don't identify with. Look back on the 9/11 threads. I reject hegemony through things like the PNAC. Another example? Chechnya. I disliked McCain's opportunistic dig at Russia. I see the Russian side of things at times but what they did in Chechnya was just wrong. Control of the Caucasus was key and the US and GB just let it happen as they do the same.

DE, I wouldn't be so quick to call it anti-Americanism. Some of the most patriotic and prominent Americans joined the 9/11 truth movement and they want what's best for their country. We see now what's happening so we understand their stance. The hawks are just itching to attack Iran but that would end badly!

I would probably support Civic Platform. I think they're doing a great job.

Harry, I can read Polish and I understand the language pretty well. frankly I probably have a better idea than you do on what is going on there. Please learn some Polish dude. You lived there for almost two decades now. Sorry for my delayed response, I'm still at work.

Mods?


Mods?(incidentally, there's no such thing as a true Polish-American - both ethnicities, are by design, an utter mixed breed)


I think it's safe to say that the more 'pierogies' consumed and the more 'world's greatest busia' t-shirts worn, the more likely they are to be PiS voting. And we wall know what real Poles think about such people.


Perhaps the mods would like to rule on that one.