Unemployed Poles in Ireland : a crash course in milking the system

I don't know anything about the British welfare system but can a Polish person just go to England and start claiming?
Do they not have to work and collect stamps (or something) first, showing they made a contribution?

Of course not, i am simply making the point that your extended family are/probably will be receiving our benefits.
I don't think you should change your opinion,and you obviously can't choose your in-laws, but if you are saying you don't agree with the masses of Eastern Europeans coming here claiming our benefits, then by default, you are saying exactly the same about your wifes family.

Do you think they should have stayed in Poland then, and not tried for the chance of a better life?

Yeap, it takes a little longer to process but the claim gets back dated anyway. Happy days, child benefit, housing benefit, tax credits, child tax credits, council house benefit and job seekers allowance. Can be worth about £1800 a month all told. Just turn up and receive, and if they dont speak English we provide a translator.

Each city has little help organisations set up mainly consisting of Polish people that tell them all this anyway, they also have Polish websites, but they really dont need any of that as they all work together and they all know the system so much as they all tell each other at work.


Fcuk yeah.


Not at all. My views on society are what they are and anything i may have portrayed in that thread do not change that opinion. The issues im highlighting here could constitute a financial breakdown of this countries already fragile financial predicament nothing more.

In essence should they have came? yeah. Is it the straw that brakes the camels back? i doubt it.

Is that really possible?
I never heard of someone's brother being able to get social welfare because of the sister.


That's messed up.

What do you suggest?

It sounds like the dole is too easy to get but then you have people who are truly in need.

One in four Poles in Ireland are on the dole and SeanBm is shocked that it is too easy.

L.O.L

Evidently politicians do not agree with you.


To some extend this bothers everyone.

Wait until the money runs out? 41 years of contributions only to find no money in the pot when I retire. Still, as long everyone else is looked after, who cares about the people who paid for these pensions.

maybe bare minimum - 1 years national insurance contributions, which is what i thought it was, or maybe some kind of strict restrictions on foreigners as in need to be resident in the UK for over 3 years or something. Either way they should have a separate benefit system for immigrants as in less money and no council housing. Crikey the waiting list for decent council housing for Brits is bad enough.

Better yet stop them coming in the first place, massively restrict the inflow.

Not quite - you need to be working 3 months first.

The whole system is screaming for a German style reform where benefits only last for a certain amount of time and are subject to your own work history - if you do the minimum to qualify, you get the minimum.

I dont think so, you have income based benefits.

These are still subject to the three month rule - the general idea is that you need to have made the UK your main home - so you need to show evidence of this. You won't get a penny if you aren't either in work (or self employed), or if you haven't been registered as looking for work for at least 3 months.

Despite what the papers would have you believe, you can't just step off the plane and get a package of benefits instantly. You can get the dole - but that's only if you 'transfer' it from Poland (and Poland will pay for it, not the UK).

Interestingly, the same rules apply to UK citizens too - if I went back, I couldn't go on the dole as I'd fail the habitual residence test.

Child benefit and child tax credit isn't subject to these rules, but they are applied under the "right to reside" rules instead - which mean that you need to either be working or registered as looking for work.

adviceguide.org.uk/england/benefits_e/benefits_coming_from_abroad_and_claiming_benefits_hrt/benefits_the_habitual_residence_test_introduction/what_is_the_habitual_residence_test.htm

As for foreigners getting council properties - at least in Scotland, what happened was that foreigners took up all the properties in 'bad' areas that no-one local wanted.

Nope, you would pass unless you told them you weren't planning on staying in the UK.


Your link


Rubbish, there is no three month rule and if there is its not being implemented. I'd be interested to see some evidence if you have it.

Polish people that come here are being directed by official help agencies straight to the benefit centers.


Yeah thats where they tend to put Somalian immigrants and asylum seekers. Not so called Europeans.

yes it's all very well but if destitute people are turning up it's better they get benefits than sleep on the streets and turn to crime surely? Think about the sums.

Ahh the old cure the headache by cutting off the head technique. No benefits - they dont come, or we send them back and log their details so they cant come back unless they want to pack themselves into a trucks freezer.

Weve never witnessed mass immigration of this kind in such a short space of time,if they work thats kind of OK, but theyre not, theyre milking an already vulnerable system which was set up to protect the under privileged.

Stop dole for welfare tourists and they will stay at home

Can you blame them? Who the hell wants to work10-12 hours a day physically when they can have more from government like a little extra money, health insurance, and more free time to spend with their families or just to enjoy life. Everyone does it in every country on this globe. Here in the States I can honestly tell you that Poles are on the bottom of the list to do so. I only personally know a few who take welfare.

no


absolutely

Its the old story of blame the government.

The "right to reside" is the crucial thing - it is not based on citizenship, but rather based on a concept known as "exercising your Treaty rights". Basically - unless you can prove that you're serious about staying in the UK, you don't have the right to reside. It's all rather complicated, but it stops people from claiming benefits straight off the plane.


And the benefit centres won't help them unless they pass both the habitual residence tests and the right of residence tests. In fact - if they're getting benefits straight off the plane, then the relevant authorities are breaking the law.


The Poles certainly took over much of the crap properties in Aberdeen - and were commended for making them far nicer places to live.


Actually, if they're destitute, they can be thrown out after 3 months without giving them a penny. It's exactly the same law that France used against the Roma.

Dude i posted your link and all the info above, you're dead, you have no argument on this one.


You commented that you wouldn't have the right, you were wrong. But please explain how you would fail the HRT test.

But lets assume that youre right for a moment, do you think it fair that you as a British citizen could not claim benefits in the UK if you so needed them? OK youve lived abroad for a few years but you are a UK citizen are you not?

I assume you have a few years NI contributions under your belt. Even if you dont your parents most probably would have, thats a birth right entitlement.

I'm still waiting for this three month proof of working in the UK, or proof that youve been looking for work in the UK link.


But it doesn't though (even if it does exist) and thats whats essentially crucial.

How did things get so flexible in the first place. I know guys, perfectly health on the dole over 25 years with no work history. How did it get this way?

I'm not blaming the government it's good that it gives what it does. The rich (corporations) make several times more that in the past (pay much much lower taxes) it wont hurt them to put a little more crumbs on the plate.

I mean blame the UK guv for the fact that they make it easy for foreigners to come here and claim benefits.


Not really, they need people in work to pay taxes, not working means they are using tax revenue. Big corporations obviously dont give a fcuk as they're not directly affected.

Wroclaw Boy, you seem pretty clued up..

Check out the Polish forums, i kid you not. they're obsessed with British benefits, discussing it at every opportunity.

mojawyspa.co.uk/forum/76/Zasilki-i-swiadczenia-socjalne


mojawyspa.co.uk/artykuly/29471/UK-Zamroza-zasilki-na-dwa-lata

LOL you literally couldn't make it up.

Of course they are its a cash cow.

If you want to give yourself a heart attack, whack british benefits into google translate and then google each languages results!!

Labour!!!, buying votes, it certainly was not Maggie!!!!

Here's an absolute cracker you'll all love..

polemi.co.uk/forum/36-zdrowie-rodzina-i-dziecko/14700-jestem-w-ciazy-lece-do-angli
Translated:

I'm pregnant I'm going to England
What benefits to a woman who does not worked in England and is 5 months pregnant and not working / but by the end she worked in Poland. Ask for hints.

Betcha the kid aint white, too. Which is a double whammy.

I need a license for my dogs. Parents should need a license to breed.

Of course the kid is white. The woman is Polish, living in Poland. Obviously been dumped by her boyfriend or something and now she is seeking her free state-provided existence for her and her child in the UK.

How do you know she didn't end up copulating with a person of a different cultural heritage / background?