I'm against gross oversimplification, which is why I'm glad to say that the reality is that the British people as a whole do not care either way whether the Poles stay or not, with the silent majority drifting towards a positive view of the Poles being here.
What planet are you living on?
If you really believe that the majority silent or not have a positive view of the Poles you are living in a land of imagination. You will see at the next election what the British now think of the Polish and Eastern Europeans as a whole. The BNP will gain many many more votes because the MAJORITY of the British want Eastern Europeans out of the UK. Where I live in Cambridgeshire there has already been many attacks on Polish people.
See how many people vote on the above issue to STOP immigration and wish to see immigrants return. If the Polish had come to the UK as maybe only 5% to 10% of the numbers who have actually arrived and are still coming then perhaps we would have accepted you. But trust me I can assure very very seriously that the Polish are now hated by many many British citizens simply because too many have come here.
The silent majority as you call them are very much in favour of getting rid of you immigrants. You are crazy to think otherwise, blind and deaf even. Some Britsh now hate the Poles more than they hate the muslims or the asians, that is the truth.
Some Britsh now hate the Poles more than they hate the muslims or the asians, that is the truth.
until the next war in Europe you are responsible for this mess, - first for false promises to support Poles against agressive nazi Gemany in 1939. If you have not intended to help us what for make such promises, we would have choose diffrent strategy to deal with nazi Germany and communist Russia if we would know we can't get suport from UK and France. Probably to avoid war we would be on Germany side against Commie USSR or gave them part of Poland
and - second for selling us to commie Rusians after ww2 ( Yalta agrements - doesn't ring a bell? ) after we fought in large numbers on every posible corner of Europe on your side
TIT, he was just telling the truth. He wasn't being obnoxious in the slightest.
If he had said sth like 'all Poles out' then that would have been different. Anyway, don't you think that 1 million is rather a lot? That's 1/38th of your population.
Seanus, this is a direct consequence of degradation of Poland after WW2. Everything what communist Russia touched changed to a pile of sh..t. next when you have a vaccum and such disproportion in wages you will get that result.
I am waiting Cameron to get the power, he will deal with this problem in professional way.
Communism produced a lot of highly educated persons living in relative poverty.A toxic combination. Population growth and distribution of education were planned out of the limits that economic growth imposed.That is why all former communist countries saw decline of their populations after 1989.
TIT, no offence but I think you are talking in code. What does huge machinery have to do with making a relatively simple decision to impose caps or not? He simply must evaluate the situation, acting all the while within the confines of EU Law and not ultra vires.
You completely missed the point, TIT. I could have told you that in secondary school and to a more advanced level when I studied British Central and Local Government (BCLG) in my undergrad.
I want to know YOUR conception of populist and how Cameron fits that bill. After all, he is in opposition so, with all due respect, how on earth do you know how he would be? You are likely the type that buys manifestos and expects everything to be fulfilled. Am I right?
Conservatives are Conservatives, wow, what an acute observation ;) ;) I'd never have guessed.
TIT, what's your point here? Real elites? You are advocating the views espoused by Milton Friedman, right? They fly in the face of populism. They advocate shock and awe, global engineering and ruthless opportunism. That's NOT populism, that's just popular in their eyes. So, I ask again, where does Cameron sit in the overall scheme of things? Or have you just heard of him and are second-guessing his aspirations?
winston, remind me next time I am back HOME in the UK (birthplace, dual nationality, duel blood) then I should arrange some scat munchers to come visit you. You talk **** and they'll eat it all up.
Sadly there is a lot of anti-Polish feeling. It's jealousy.
Jealousy? Of what exactly? I'm not saying you are right or wrong, I'm just curious. I know how many Brits think and they tend to see Poles as sth less than themselves. The intelligent ones don't judge and try to maintain cordial relations.
A whole structure of British monarchy can be based on 2 models, one represented by conservatives and other one by labors. What we can see now is when people not educated enough, without money and with very narrow minded mindsets, without seeing a whole picture, half blind, rule the country.
Elite have the time to learn, from very begining of childchood. When you have a money, a position you don't need to think about getting more cash but your needs are focused on much wider subjects like social policy ond so on.
seems immigration is a major issue in the UK. Although as I am not a resident of the UK, I could be entirely wrong. Am I?
You're not wrong and reglardless of what some people on this forum might say, Poles are included in the groups of immigrants that the English would like to see the back of. Everyone on here knows Im not anti Polish but Im not going to lie about what the majority of English people think.
It's jealousy.
I dont think it is, I think its just the sheer numbers that are here..There was never any anti Polish feeling after the Poles settled here in the 40s and 50s, there was never any bad feeling towards the Italians and they came in rather large numbers a couple of 100 years ago...The Island isnt that big and with every wave of immigrants it gets smaller.
What we can see now is when people not educated enough, without money and with very narrow minded mindsets, without seeing a whole picture, half blind, rule the country.
Wrong, how about the builders that have been under-cut to a point where they can no longer earn a living..Its not being half bind, quite the oposite, they have their eyes wide open, its hard to have your eyes shut when your house is being repossessed.
Don't draft wealth into it too much. Look at those with relative wealth who ostensibly govern and look at those above them with gross amounts of wealth that really govern. If you are a true member of the elite, you will focus on geopolitics and macroeconomics, not localised social policy framed in the narrower meaning.
Rich people most definitely should not rule, what nonsense! Are you even remotely aware of how bankers have ruined things? A democracy should be as representative as possible, encompassing the populist sentiment within the nation through the employment of democratic tools. When was the last referendum? Do you need reminding of the Irish EU vote which wasn't accepted first time round?
TIT, straight question. What do you think Cameron would do with regards to Poles in the UK? Oh, and how is he populistic?
TIT it's for the reasons you mentioned that the rich don't make the best rulers. They don't have anything in common with the working classes, they don't have the perspective from within the majority, they've little of the same worries and fears of the common person. They're unfit to rule to the extent they do because of the extent to which they differ from the commoner.
i think there russians should start going to uk to find work
The rich ones are already here sweetie, in rather large numbers, they're even sending their kids to our Public schools. The poor ones are here working illegally, but they get deported :D
Stop pretending to be an Irish Republican you filthy brit..... stop your lies.
Somebody’s feelings were hurt, is that because you were caught lying again?
As far as republicanism goes I could give you all the lines and as usual you would mouth them without understanding what they mean.
You are a perfect argument against universal suffrage, that’s one man one vote to you. There must be something wrong with a system that gives a moron like you the same voting rights an everyone else.
