Polish slave trader in the UK has sentence increased

It probably is. There wouldn't be that many cases in a year in Ireland. I mentioned it here at the time but it was merged with another thread. I was a bit stunned that EU citizens were being trafficked into another EU country.

With reference to that Global Slavery Index, they're clearly a bona fide and reputable source of information who've conducted quite painstaking research, but there is a flaw in their methodology, in that they make certain extrapolations based on 'similar' countries, so for example, the slavery figures percentage wise of the population for Ireland and the UK are identical. Now they could well be making assumptions about Poland, based on a few of its neighbours where the trafficking thing is probably much worse.

188,147 would be especially shocking.... perhaps more shocking than 188,350...

What I hate about groups like that is they trivialize real slavery (which does still exist) by coflating it with a bunch of nasty, illegal practices which need to be rooted out (but which are not however slavery in any real way).

Extra side note: A Filipino born American citizen who won the Pullitzer prize revealed (just before his death) that his family had a household slave* for 56 years. As I always note, when people immigrate they bring their values with them and if those include slavery.... then guess what?

*possibly not the best term, but modern English, thankfully, has no words for that precise form of bondage, though I guess it might acquire them again with enough immigration

How would those be counted in the statistics? As people enslaved in Ireland (country of their destination) or as people enslaved in Poland (country of where they came from to Ireland)?

Oh please, council workers couldn't keep up with the removal of the fliers. They would barely get to the next box a few yards down the street and someone would already be re-plastering the one they just cleaned up top to bottom. The blight only began to go away when the boxes were being put out of use. And all this occurred long before 2004 when Poles began arriving in large numbers.


Like with the Jews, "marrying out" is frowned upon by the Roma but it would be wrong to described their marriages as being forced. Some still do marry out as long as the new partner accepts the Roma way of life. Obviously in such instances it is a case of the males marrying out rather than the females but that's another matter. The same cannot be said of other non-European cultures (especially India and Pakistan) where they are not only expected to marry within their own tribe but literally the parents among cousins decide to do the matching.


Polish or Roma? Polish or Polish who discovered or is yet to discover his Jewish roots?

The latest coordinated posts this week by a certain serially-suspended malcontent and his obsequious band of Polonophobic provocateurs definitely want to bait and troll by attempting to portray criminality as a Polish trait. It won't work.

They're actually very thorough. It is a huge problem here.


That is actually a serious problem here in central Warsaw.


Small glueless cards. Few in number. Unlike the blizzard of shiny fliers here for Polish prostitutes.

I believe they count the stats based on which country the enslaved are living in. But that also casts the host country, in this case Ireland, in a negative light because such things are going on under their nose and they either don't know about it or are failing to deal adequately with it. More recently there was another case where the Gardai noticed a man wandering around a fairly small town in what they considered to be a confused state. When they stopped to talk to him they discovered that he didn't really speak English and that lead to the uncovering of a group of about 20 people I think in some form of enforced labour situation.


That would depend very much on what part of London you're talking about. You wouldn't see much of that in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea :) And of course it had nothing to do with Poles. But tarts plying their trade and enforced prostitution are two separate issues anyway.


Arranged marriage doesn't necessarily mean forced marriage. I've known plenty of Indian couples whose marriages were arranged and they're happy. Romas on the other hand certainly do force marriages upon very young girls, (just as much as the uneducated masses of India or Pakistan), often married off to a man many years older.

Agreed, criminality is not a Polish trait. Criminals exist everywhere but nations tend to 'specialise' for want of a better word in different forms of crime. Nigerians and Romanians for example have disproportionately high involvement in fraud.

Yes, I seem to know whom you may have in mind.


There has only been only one (so far!) of this band in this thread.


This is very well said. May the Christian cross be put on you and may the Sarmatian-Slavic gods guide you for ever!

The key figure used to accuse Poland in this thread is 180,100. How have they arrived at it is a great mystery. It very much looks as if it was taken from the ceiling of that institution which published this statistics. Possibly Harry is the co-author of that figure and that other one of the band helps him diffuse it on the internet saying that the figure is terribly shocking rather than trying to reveal some of the methodology used to work out that mysterious figure.

The stats I linked to are for the number of people living in modern slavery in that country (both nationals of that country and non-nationals), not the number of people from that country who are living in modern slavery elsewhere. So, for example, the hundreds of North Koreans trapped in state-sanctioned modern slavery are counted among the people living in modern slavery in Poland. Those people are a particularly shameful example for Poland as they actually have work permits and thus their modern slavery is explicitly approved of by the Polish state.


They are indeed, but that won't stop the usual suspects from attacking them for telling the whole truth about Poland.

Modern slavery is clearly a problem Poland needs to deal with but instead of working together to find the best way to deal with the menace, the usual suspects instead want to just attack people and lie about them. It's a real pity.

They are not "stats" they are wild estimates are tens of thousands of times larger than verifiable cases.

Lies pulled out from the thin air by the known PF's BS- iter and a commie radical.

The Global Slavery Index is well thought of. They do have a broad definition of slavery, and rightly so since it takes many forms, including here in Poland.

That don't make 'em accurate....

It does however make them accepted by those pesky experts.

More fools them.... and as my grandmother used to say "An expert is usually someone fifty miles from home and drunk"

I would like to see more evidence of widespread slavery in Poland beyond estimates based on a handful of confirmed cases.

The North Korean thing is a disgrace and that should be stopped as soon as possible (and those actually found guilty of trafficking should be put in jail for much longer than most European countries make possible).

Here's another awful case of vulnerable people being brought in. The Polish drivers made £68,000 between them. Nothing reported about the intended fate of the victims:


clactonandfrintongazette.co.uk/news/north_essex_news/14379328.Lorry_drivers_jailed_for_people_smuggling_through_Harwich_International_Port/


it is indeed, and there are other sharply capitalistic practices going on here also.

Another of many cases here:


redlightcampaign.org

Can we trouble you for a source for that claim?

The site itself, it just mentions a few isolated cases with small numbers and somehow decides that these small figures represent 180,100 cases, see post #32

I'm sorry, I must have missed the part of that site where it said it posted wild estimates are tens of thousands of times larger than verifiable cases. Could you perhaps link to that information?

Yes, I missed it too; the pitfalls of skim-reading. I'm sure Mafektis can point us to that bit.

They don't say that of coure, that is a perfectly legitimate interpretation for reconciling 180,100 and the thousand or so cases (about 800 of which is an admitted estimate) they actually cite.

OK, so perhaps you can give us a source to support your claim?

I just did, re-read 51 and/or explain how the very small numbers they give represent 180,100. Or better yet, point out where they have proof of 180,100 people living in modern slavery in Poland. They put a number on a page, where is the data showing they counted them?

Perhaps they can first give us a source to support the claim of 180,100. The most possible source is their ceiling where the painter painted this number when re-decorating the room. But perhaps it was an amount claimed for the work he had done on the building?

Perhaps you'd like to read the page about methodology? Or would you like to also claim that as their statistics about the number of people living in in modern slavery in Poland is out by a factor of tens of thousands, the number of of people living in modern slavery in the UK must be less than one?

I did, thank you. They conduct a relatively small number of interviews and then (somehow) create large numbers of "enslaved people" out of them.

Their methodology is certainly criticised by people who know the field....

Here are some examples:

humantraffickingcenter.org/global-slavery-index-helpful-harmful

theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2014/nov/28/global-slavery-index-walk-free-human-trafficking-anne-gallagher

antitraffickingreview.org/index.php/atrjournal/article/view/228/216