The secret Polish gay men in the U.K

You have to give to receive :P

[quote=Seanus]It must be that :) :)

Gay men just like my strong build. I have legs like a rugby player :) I've known 4 gay men in my time and they have all commented on my strong shape :)[/quo

Stop boasting.


I believe you, I was only being jealous, on account of the built that is:)

Well, we all know that PL is very conservative (at least mentality-wise, I don't know about official policies) when it comes to homosexuality. I think Meow means that.

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M-G (tiens)

IMHO there is a way too many topics on Poland where the only and one argument is "we all know that". That is why I think that some facts wouldn't make any harm.

How do you know that the Poland is conservative? And what do you mean by that?

As I don't go on a regular basis to PL, I base my opinion partly on what I read here, partly on what I hear from Polish gay friends. And the comments on gay ppl, foreigners, etc. on this forum is highly conservative, bordering disgusting at times. See the point now when I said some time ago that all racists, anti semites and more of that vermin have to be banned from this forum? This forum is supposed to be a sort of business card for PL, ah well, I am sure you catch my drift.

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M-G (tiens)

its because conservatieves take voice more often. Non conservatives are pretty laid-back and they dont discuss so fiercely.

But u have me as an example of non conservative ;)


We have discussion about moderators here that they allow to such comments. None of them is polish...

I know. It's only a small percentage but it's those idiots you hear the most.


Yeah, I parttake in those discussions as well. Sometimes.

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M-G (tiens)

I hope that you are aware of the fact that there are very few Polish posters here. The overwhelming majority of posters on PF have got no or very little connections with Poland.

That's why the PF is more a game of imagination and stereotypes than a source of reliable informations.
I have got some gay friends too. And they just love to exaggerate how discriminated they are. I think this makes them feel special.


Yeah I understand you. But I can't agree with the conception of a "visit card". Obviously - there are some good things in Poland and some bad too. As long as these are discussed on the basis of facts - I have got nothing against it.

I just can't stand the effects of wild imagination of some of the posters. That is why there is a conception for some time that it would be a good idea to have at least one Polish moderator (preferably living in Poland) who would know the realities of Poland from personal experience. Such a person would be easily able to sort out the facts from the "stories".

Man. it seems that you all got a polish gay friends. Even more than one that is :-].

And the sources indicate that average ratio of sodomites in population oscillates around 5%...it's good that we didn't started conversation about paedophiles thought.

imagine:

"..I've got like 3 paedo friends who often says..."
or
"...for may paedo friend Poland seems to be so conservative country..."

Why are homo partnerships so short? These guys can't seem to commit for longer than 2 years and even within that short time-span infidelity is a big problem? Anyone know why?

How can you compare 2 very different things like these...damn some people!

To bring Poland in with the "Times". I recommend shipping 1 million very camp gay people, + 1 million Nigerians to Poland. :D

How is this gonna help?

It will take a generation or two before PL is on par with the rest. Not a shame; she has stood still for 50 years -two generations- and just needs time to catch up with the rest. If we help her as much as we can, it will go quicker.

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M-G (tiens)

well i dont think its small % to be honest with you. Its more like 50:50.
Mind also that not every conservative takes the whole bundle of conservatives ideas. There are lots of different kinds of conservatives.


btw. what does it "tiens" mean?

Catch up with what? Poland has a functioning economy, schools, roads, shops, etc. Violent crime is low compared to the west. How is catching up to that going to improve anything?

Do you mean catch up to things like gay parades, gangrapes by 3rd world people, islam and potential terrorists, increase in sexual transmitted diseases like AIDS/HIV, break up of the family, kids on drugs, a welfare system that is totally abused, then I don't really wish this on anyone.

Work hard, work well, stay sober, both from alcohol and drugs, keep the family intact, let the gay be gay in their own house, do not allow foreign religions to get a foothold, maintain a homogenous society. This will save Poland from what is destroying the west.

Poland has everything she needs for now. Importing the stuff that DOESN'T work in the west would not be a positive thing.

Dariusz

Do you really think discrimination against someone really makes them feel "special"?

Heh, it reminds me Little Britain's charachter Daffyd Thomas:
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Rubbish most studies show 1 in 10 men are gay... And this doesn't include bisexual men mostly who have wife and girlfriends....

Being gay is normal, even there are gay animals. What you going to say, that Satan has possessed them?

Some of you people need to stop living in the 1800's. Just like people will hate you for being Polish, and will find reasons to back up why it is good to hate polish people... You do the same with gay people... So Don't complain when someone is being racist to you cause your polish and not British. Cause you are dishing out prejudice...it's only right you get it back...

Its not about what year people live in and we cant change attitutes in other countries, its not our place...its down to gay men and women in these countires to do what they did in the UK..Im not one for pi%%ing on someones elses rose bush! I will say this, Poles have a less struggle than Brits did, because their laws never demonised it...Society is a different thing, again I will say to you..Being gay in a vast majority of house holds in the UK is NOT accepted..We are a society that hates so much under the surface....Yet appears such a multi-kulti gay luvin haven! Its our laws that dictate, not our society as a whole..dont be fooled..People may tolerate, it doesnt mean they are accepting...these are two different things.


You dont get the irony of the prog..do you? Glad it makes you laugh so much!

Well if someone is told from a young age something is wrong, you grow up to believe it. And this hate has been passed on from generations mainly from christianity... It has nothing to do with laws but mainly religion.

Like some Polish people who have racist views, in a way it isn't their fault. Most have been taught from a young age that black or darker skin has negatives that come with it.

But when most people get to have black or gay friends, they see there is nothing wrong with it. Just Ignorance....

But ignorance is bliss to some people.. makes them feel important

Funny, I think you live in dark ages then. I don't think they are possessed.

Homosexuality (Sodomy) it just an abbreviation from a norm; this happens in the nature, but it's stable in every generation/population with a little abbreviations (abbreviations from general abbreviation that

is :-]) of course (5% for gays like I said before, some scientist stating even less like : 2-3% for example. Some gay organizations on the other had thinks that we are all gays hiding in the closet and oppressing the other geys ;-D).

According to American Academy of Pediatrics it's caused by genetic, hormonal and environmental factors (most claim that the genetic factor is the strongest one). Well, we may call the genetic factor a genetic mutation.

We could divide mutations into two major categories: successful and unsuccessful.
Gays belong to the second category cause they can't reproduce while doing their 'normal' sexual activities.

Don't get me wrong - apart from the urge to penetrate the other males anus gay are perfectly normal :-]. There's nothing wrong with their intelligence or manual skills.

Check those forums, you may find it interesting:
biology-online.org/biology-forum/about14772.html

Like I said before: live and let live. Nature will correct it all eventually.
You don't have to spoil my appetite explaining your sexual activities or parading in the center of the city. Just do whatever you want in your bedroom.

BTW: you've spelled Polish with small letter twice in your post :-]

Let's all not forget that Dariusz is just forwarding his own opinion. Not necessarily the truth.


Usually they take the whole package. I've never (or very, very seldom) heard of a conservative who was in favour of keeping the old values alive and at the same time condoning homosexuals. So it's in very few cases that they only take parts of the package. Even those "camp" ppl are conservative in a way: they cherish and maintain all that old shytemusic.


OMG, I must've explained that a hundred times by now. For the last time: "tiens" is French and is more of a stoppage word. Best translation into English would be "nuff said". It could also be a sarcastic reaction to a stupid story sb tells you. My old French teacher said it loads of times when sb in my class didn't do her homework and let this be accompanied by some weird story like "the dog ate my homework". I deliberately said "her" because we had one bimbo in our class who had discovered boys and therefore her homework suffered a lot. At the end of the year she was demoted from Gymnasium to a few schooltypes lower. I hear she has been divorced 2 times now with 3 kids from 3 different fathers. Doesn't surprise me.

Btw, for all those gay-haters among us: straight men cause as a general much and much more trouble than homosexual men. And: if a boy and a girl walk hand in hand over street, isn't that throwing in everybody's face: "hey look at us...we are a straight couple!" It's all a matter of respect. If you don't respect homosexuals, how in the world can you expect that anybody respects you? I mean, I don't have much respect for ppl who don't respect others because they are "different" than them. To me those ppl are just reactionairy retards with no vision on reality and prefer to exchange one system for another system, with the difference that this is the system of their choice. What they do forget is that they are being put down just as much by the system of choice than the system they detest. Yeah, just think about that.

It's also about tolerance. I've said it so many times before: how long with tolerant ppl tolerate the intolerant? How long will they tolerate being called all kinds of illnesses, cursed at and spitted at in the name of freedom of speech? When will the time come that the tolerant ppl will start seeing the intolerant for what they really are: retarded morons, the cancer of society? Think about that too.

So freaking tired of these kind of discussions. Everytime they come again and again and again and again. Everytime you have to teach them that homosexuality is sth they have to accept as part of a civilized society and still, over and over again, here come the morons and call them perverted, sodomizing freaks, are against gay marriage (who on Earth could have sth against that??), think it's normal to beat the shyte out of gays because they are provoking them by being gay (wow, do I detect some mental issues there? Or are they simply gay themselves without daring to come out of the closet?). And of course in GayPride Parades they yet see another provocation as they think that it's "ok to be gay, as long as the rest of the world doesn't see them walk hand in hand on the street, because that is a reason to beat them up - hey, they were asking for it!" (so it's ok then when I beat up a boy and a girl walking hand in hand on the street as they provoke the world by shouting out: "hey! We are a straight couple!"?).

I have one advice to all those who don't accept homosexuals: accept it or leave for some place in the Tundras. It's part of modern society and if you don't want to be modern, then there is clearly no place for you in modern society. Maybe you could apply with the Amish. They don't have ANY homosexuals in their midst and they party regularily like it's 1699. Must be heaven for you guys!

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M-G (tiens, freaking tiens!)
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Well said MareGaea!!! I am a bi female and agree with that :)

Thanks :) I am a straight guy, but I have a lot of gay friends and I just can't stand intolerance or any other outings of narrowmindedness. I thought we'd left that dark age behind us. Guess I was wrong in assuming that.

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M-G (wow, two cats in my previous post)

We have polish equivalent: aha. ;)


A little interuption here. You would be suprised to hear that even in early 90s kissing in the streets was consider by some ppl as inappropriate. When I was in high school (2000s) teachers were really ticking off all the school couples for "showing to much tenderness" on the school corridors.

If you know polish there is a song about it:
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Leather by Aya RL

I’m standing on the street with her, I’m standing face to face
Someone is walking by, jogging his elbow, spitting on us with his gaze
I whisper: Babe look! Civilized world!
Then I’m embracing her, we’re floating away
Strange voice can’t reach us, time goes slow
We’re floating into star abyss, Babe hum what I’m humming
Tum tum tum...

I’m standing on the street with her, laughs are all around us
Someone is walking by, jogging his elbow, spitting on Babe’s face
I say firmly: Babe look! Civilized world!
Then I’m breaking his nose, he fell but then he stood up
A hundred voices around: the one in leather is a bastard!
I’m going down, I’ve been alone today, Babe hum what I’m humming
Tum tum tum…
Then I’m embracing her, we’re floating away
Strange voice can’t reach us, time goes slow

Isn't it gay week or something in Warsaw/Poland?

If you watch TVN, it's gay week every week, lol :)

So all the Poles are coming out of the closet then :-) No sign of Torq or ironside maybe they are parading in their finest arseless chaps on a float in Warsaw today?

wtf?? I'm not gay - it's just an observation that TVN seems to put "token gays" into all its programmes - the ones I've seen, anyway!