Sad life of a Polish migrant in the UK. Ch. 5 - Racism

There's another explanation/ theory floating around: the Jewish bankers were responsible for Germany's defeat in WW1, because they simply cut the funding. Hitler supposedly hated them for this.

It is quite possible, if not probable that Hitler was 1/4 Jewish from one of his 'missing' grandfathers.

Actually, recent research has more or less proven that this was not the case and that it's a myth, come into existence after the war.


Another myth. Jews fought bravely alongside Germans during WW1. What you're referring to is part of the "back-stabbing" legend. German Jews suffered as much as non-Jewish Germans did and the Jewish bankers contributed highly to the German war efford. There was simply no money left in the country. And besides, Germany's offer for a truce was instigated by the so-manieth manic-depressive paranoid attack of Erich Ludendorff, together with Paul von Hindenburg, the two leaders of Germany. To avoid being killed or proscecuted for that, Ludendorff created the legend that Germany was stabbed in the back by politicians, the same freaking politicians whom he himself had commanded to make peace with the Allies.

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M-G (tiens)

I think that companies have been setting up factories in Poland about 10 years ago. I cannot recall many british setting up companies in Germany in the 90's though, tooooooo expensive!

I know. Just wanted to mention it. Where Hitler's irrational hatred for Jewish people came from can probably never be explained.

I didn't realise you are having such a difficult time over there.
A lot of people come on this forum to vent their frustrations but it is not normally that serious.
I thought you were just venting, now I am not so sure.

SeanBM

I may just be a human with feelings - I knew that emigracja is always hard, but had not expected disdain from that direction - Germans, yes, but they never showed me any :S

I have a hidden agenda, and I will now post another thread to come clean.

Granted. But the two reasons I've given earlier on are very feasible, given Hitler's character.

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M-G (doesn't find Hitler very sympathetic)

Cool :)
Perhaps we could first guess what your agenda is?

I think, you work for the EU campaign "For Diversity. Against Discrimination." and due to the recession there is not enough money to employ so many people to go around the different countries to find out what is going on, so you come on here to stir it up and find out what issues need to be addressed.

Admittedly that is not a good agenda but give me time and I will come up with a more fantastic one :)

SeanBM

Nice one - no, nobody wants me as an agent, sleep safe.

Forgive me, but this all seems a bit strange to me. Someone was rude to you in a bank? An employee of the bank? So you just ask to see her manager and you complain that she was rude to you. That is how it works here.

Nobody said there was no racism in the UK - there is everything in the UK. Of course Poland is breathtakingly racist, and it is also fairly common to be treated pretty rudely in Polish shops, as I remember. But when I lived in Poland, I simply observed this. It wasn't my place to complain, or so I felt.

You choose to be here, I guess, so there must be something about the UK that attracts you. What?

- You are writing a book.

- You are a physiologist and you're doing your master thesis on "internet forum reactions".

- You are an alien communicating from a million light years away and by some strange coincidence (cosmic joke), "Poland" and the "UK" are names of countries on your planet too.

WTF are you talking about?
So there was no anti-semitism in Germany before 1930's? Before 1914?
Check for yourself before you pull more conclusions out of thin air.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Germany

I think the saddest part of life of polish immigrant in the Uk is to see the gorgeous polish girls with Blacks and pakis while he is alone.

You are just obsessed with this.

I see girls curious to discover if a black man has a black pen1s as well.How stupid can one be to have such questions.

You do realise you are the only one asking, which is both silly and a little gay.

I have heard this question twice.Anyway,sth is wrong with polish women if they go for these individuals.

Yeah right Hahahaha


Honestly southerner, why do you hate black men?

z_darius

I know that there was. But I was aiming specific at the Nazi period. And they just used it for their scapegoat policy.

M-G (thinks Darius is a bit grumpy today)

i was giving you advice, not an order, it just seems that your so unhappy with the UK and everything in it from the food to the language, there is no real reason why you yourself would want to stay. I'm being honest, i would not hang about in a country if had as many complaints about it as you, especially if i had the choice to move back to my own country. You seem to have missed the point (people see your situation through their own eyes) rather than just the way you see it.


the way i treat people?? you what?? your having a laugh are you not?? your partially blaming me for the treatment a pole may recieve in Coventry when i myself live in Exeter!!!! So by your logic all the Germans in WWII were Nazi's or believed in what the Nazi's did???

As for waking up, my eyes are fully open and my brain is working through all the bull you have written on here, its pretty simple, if you don't like something then get away from it if you cannot change it.

Racism is not limited to a specific period of human history. What you wrote about is just one of the most extreme manifestations of racism.

You've lost me, Darius. What is so very racist about what I wrote?

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M-G (puzzled)

Ksysia
If you don't like the UK then I can send you a map to the airport. Additionally there are frequent buses.
I have never ment such rudeness and arrogance and , yes, shock , horror "racism" as from Polish people.
Girls with faces like a bag of spanners making personal comments about all the women around them.
Guys on the tube saying something like "F.ucking Pig" about the Black Londoner who has the misfortune to sit next to them, just in a casual passing comment way.

Guys who are in the UK to avoid arrest and army service pulling knives out "Cos I hate F'cking n.iggers".
People who have spent close to a decade claiming tax credits and child benefits running home to Poland whining about every aspect of life in the UK.

rednecks on the train moaning about "Czarny" and again the non stop stream of personal comments about people around them.
Drunken scum pointing at every woman in a tube carriage and shouting "Not pretty!"
This is just ONE PERSON'S personal experience. You see some stupid English do understand your language, and honey, it ain't great.
And then you have the CHEEK to try and jump on the PC wagon and complain about our "racism".
I would PMSL but it's not that amusing any more.

Or so you think. One girl from Macedonia that I know, thought she understood Polish since she understands Serbian and Bulgarian. And she came to me with just a moan like yours once.

'i was walking down the street and those two Polish guys were calling each woman a wh0re! So I told them that I know what they meant! And they looked real stupid!'

I'm sure they did, because the word 'kurwa' which means 'wh0re' is used as your' fcuk', and some people use it in every sentence.

Poszedłem, kurwa, usiadłem, kurwa, i piwko wypiłem, kurwa.
I went there, fcuk, man, I sat there, fcuk, man, and I had me a beer, fcuk, man!

But that's another thing that I noticed - when the English people hear me talk with my man, they sometimes say things for me 'what is she saying Dave? Rich is a fat man, that's what she's saying.' But, no, I usually talk about sex.

All in all this thread had been very informative. I didn't realize before exactly to what extent you are insecure about what other people think about you. That's why you are always walking around with a grin - to quell other people's fears, not because you like them. That's why you alwyas talk to strangers - not to make friends, but to ensure that they have nothing to fear. And that's why all the girls wear the same kind of dresses at any given time of year - so that no other girl becomes anxious.

I also understood why girls in English school gang up and beat up Polish girls - it's not racism, or xenophobia, it's just that our faces and clothes are just a little different, and they feel threatened.

I also understand now why there are all those propaganda movies about how 'it's good to be different. Somebody is working on your society. But that also means that those films have slim chance of changing your attitude towards novelty - after all you were always just there yourself on the Island.

You didn't have the Germans who can't communicate in Slavonic, Tatars who worship differently, Turks who are not similar one bit, Czechs who are similar, but not the same, Prusowie, Jadźwingowie, who were Hunnic of Gothic I think? So now, since the war, you do, you are handling the situation pretty well, and are very proud of it. That's why you call Poland a 'young country, who is learning diversity and democracy', to feel a little more established in your ways.

Good, I'm proud of you. But cut on the 'young country who is learning'.

And about the rascals who spat at a woman - did you call the police?

Niejestemcapita has made the effort to learn Polish, I believe; she's not just assuming mutual intelligibility, ty hloupá dívka :p

you must be talking about Gipsies - can't think of other Polish citizens that were allowed to do that (for a decade) - wasn't it 2004 that Poles were allowed to work in the UK


I find it very true, there is some deeply ingrained insecurity/fear in English psyche - look at the peadophile paranoia there - while most don't seem to notice what is really a threat: how vile, cruel, barbaric their younger generations are getting.


well I was in England a couple of times - stayed there a year in 2003-2004, been there again some four months between 2004-2005 and again about two months in 2006 - been there to earn some money - with more or less succes - it maybe true what you write - I don't have too high an opinion about the Poles as a nation - I don't find pleasure in having to deal with low lifes - the only thing is I haven't met actual Polish low-lifes in England - must be because before 2004 they were not streaming into Britain and in 2006 i wasn't just running around to find and socialize with Poles - those that I met were ok - and yes some Polish people I met were racist in the sense they held blacks and some other in comtempt - to be honest I myself made fun with them about the blacks and say Indians - maybe you find it horribly wrong but I find it innocent as long as there is just the humour thing - and well I used to work with black people and with indian people and with Pakistani people and we mostly got on well (I may be wrong but most Polish people I know use good-hearted humour and not vile/offensive which seems to me to be a feature of many Enlgish jokes I heard)


are you sure she did - maybe just learned it from her friends - when learning is part of fun I wouldn't call it an effort

Well, I'm not sure, but she seems to know a fair bit. I'm sure she will be along soon to correct me if I'm wrong.


No, the English had the Scottish, some of whom speak Scots, which the English can't understand; Jews who worship differently; the Irish who are similar but not the same; the Welsh who also speak in their own language when English are around; the Cornish who consider themselves to have a different culture and history to the English... etc.

I've never heard anyone refer to Poland as a "young country" either. A young democracy, maybe. Even those who know little about Poland know that although its borders have changed often, the country has a long history. You've clearly been reading too much lazy free-newspaper journalism - but that's one thing the UK is sadly famous for these days. If you really think that the UK has problems with accepting non-indigenous cultures, I suggest you go to Zimbabwe, Japan, China, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, and voice your criticism there.

it is as if we didn't know there are worse places than Poland and England in some manner

That's not the point, though - my point is that some of those countries allow the murder of foreigners simply for being foreign, or if they don't, they ensure that homogeneity dominates, but no-one EVER tells them to "embrace diversity". Whereas the UK has taken in millions of foreigners, most of whom are accepted and are generally treated quite well, yet the UK is constantly criticised on it's treatment of foreigners/not accepting enough immigrants, etc. You couldn't make it up!