Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal?

The golden rule is to take people as you find them, regardless of their nationality. My only real comment would be that some Poles might appear to be like pack animals to Brits. However, we should appreciate their unity as some lone wolves are just nasty. As long as they recognise their guest status as I do here then all should be well.

Everybody seems to assume us brits have an issue with poles and other nationalities living in our country. we don't. we have a problem with illegal immigrants who take up all the jobs cash in hand, live on the dole under fake names, use fake passports and the like, taking up all the social housing. If it weren't for these people, then the poles and other nationalities who live here would not have to share overcrowded houses with mean landlords and take **** jobs for pennies.

I think immigration is a brill thing as long as its legal. I even think sometimes, as long as you have settled here, maybe overstaying your visa slightly so you can be with your family is also alright. but this is in regard to the people who come here on "holidays" or arrive in lorrys in the port of dover where i work, and they're the people we don't want. because its unfair to everyone in the uk whether british or not.

You (ok,many of "you")Brits DO have an issue with Poles and other nationalities living in your country but that's OK,nothing wrong with that.I know few roughnecks from my town who moved to UK and frankly I can understand Brits being pissed.No problem.What I have an issue with is the fact that only Poles as a group are being singled out and blamed for everything what's wrong in the UK.Just look at the number of articles regarding Poles in UK in British press and tell me honestly have you ever witnessed similar hate campaign against any other nationality?I don't think so but feel free to prove me wrong.


Oh, I love that.Here is a simple solution.Make all immigrants legal and you won't have any problems with illegal immigration.That's actually very American what you are saying,when you ask Americans what's their opinion about immigration they are ALL pro immigrant but will tell you "just do it the right way".Now,I don't about UK immigration law but I know that the ONLY chance the illegal immigrants in the US have to immigrate to the US is to win the "green card lottery",that means that if they tried to do it "the right way" they wouldn't get anywhere.If you don't have a family in US or a milion USD nor you are a genius or asylum seeker your chances are 0 (zero). So much for doing it "the right way".Kind of hypocritical if you ask me.

Please post a few links to quality press and not sh*t stirrers, grubas. Where is this hatred? I'm not saying you are wrong as I don't read the British press but hatred is a strong word.

youtube.com/watch?v=oVP0RRvl2WE
part 1 of a 7-part documentary on Poles living in the UK. Some Brits sneer and that's just their way. It's worth taking an hour or so out of your day to watch the above in its entirety.

grubas you are a horrible little man.

i appreciate immigrants in the uk. i think its a good thing. i think europe needs to be multiracial in every country. you however need to learn your facts. and please read again what i said earlier. illegal immigration is bad for everybody living in the uk, brits, poles, africans, americans, everybody. not just brits, everyone. housing shortages, money shortages, a budget thats gone to the shi*ter. And this is because of illegal immigrancy. How the frick can we make it all legal, when we are already overcrowded? so yes please come to my island, but please do it through the right channels.

and for the amount of overstayed visas we have, we are not as strict as america at letting people legally into the country. student visas, work visas, residency and more so you are european. you can come and go as you wish.... you don't have to sneak in on the back of a lorry. tell me how would you feel if russia or poland or spain was the new hotspot for illegal immigrants arriving, and all of a sudden nobody can get jobs or housing and people that are legally there including all europeans!! cannot find places to raise their families safely?

and as for the fact that you are discussing what you believe is racism against the poles by uk media look at yourself. You have set up a post slagging of the uk. pot kettle black.

What visa? Are you talking about US or GB?


Those are exactly the kind of jobs the governments of GB, Ireland and Sweden had in mind to fill when they opened up their job market to Poles and other EE states on the verge of becoming a EU member states without restriction that were imposed by other EU member states, which makes it legal btw.

Petition your own government to change that, perhaps they might listen to you or perhaps they might even change their position on what their own citizens are capable of or the kind of jobs they themselves are willing to do for that matter. Wasn’t that really a core of the debate among your politicians and business representatives before they opened up the job market and made it legal? Brits not willing to do certain jobs as collecting unemployment benefits is more profitable for them than having a real job.


But it is my dear, no visa required, at least as far as Poles and other EE that are members of EU in GB are concerned, but if you were really a Brit you would know that. Only uneducated Yanks talks of VISA.


Indeed.


There’s a difference between sneering and blaming Poles for whatever ails your society. Living in large group to save a pond or two just proves that they work in those back braking low wage jobs without having to take a handout from the British government or applying for council housing, they rather do it on their own. Nothing to be ashamed of, as long it’s an honest day of work but far cry from being illegal and a leach feeding of off others and that’s what the other poster accused them of.

Nah, she's not American, no self-respecting Yank would ever say "lorry" :@P

Brits need to realise that their govt badly mismanaged things due to the classically British 'I'm alright Jack' attitude. Yes, some Poles stretched local and national resources but they also boosted the lower end of the economy and parts of the higher end. In life, you have to take the bad with the good.

That's not really true though is it, thug? Increasing numbers of Polish workers are choosing to settle in the UK to raise children. I should know - my wife's cousin is doing it. His wife is unqualified and unemployed but living in the UK and claiming benefits for her and their children. They get more that way you see. They even intentionally stayed unmarried for a few more years for more benefits.


Just give up mate. Admit defeat

i am british, as pointed out by my use of the word lorry :P

and i am perfectly well aware of the fact polish are european and have free entry to the uk and other european countries, i was referring to immigration as a whole in the uk and the fact that non-eu immigrants illegal in the uk make it just as hard for polish people to live and work here. I am all for poles living and working in the uk especially since my boyfriend is a pole. i'd rather all of us lived happily without having to worry about illegal immigrants taking all the jobs, being paid cash in hand, and taking up housing needed for eu residents.

But for lazy journalists it's just easier to write another sensational piece about Poles than attack real systematic problems in UK policies.

Exactly! The Poles merely exercised their rights, those that were given to them by Brits in an incidental way. If they don't even have the sovereignty to introduce caps them that's their problem.

It seems that Brits don't have a say anymore and all they can do is to moan about Poles.

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But try and see it through the eyes of some Brits, grubas. The government made a mess of things and they must bear the brunt of it. Call that fair? Many can't get back into work but the govt doesn't care.

This ruling is beyond ridiculous. European Court my ass. Countries may be advised but nobody should make decisions FOR them. Either we have an independent country or we don't. Wake up UK!!

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Fd5lHow8bnA

But, UK is United Kingdom, with many non-independent countries in it.
In broader sense, with CommonWealth countries, it is an empire with many non-independent countries in it.. Sure, much bigger than EU. Perhaps, Britain's strategy is to include EU into its empire? Looks like so..

(The worse is U. Kingdom, a kingdom, a monarchy - primitive.)

What a shambles! I speculatively tried to get on the council housing ladder and benefits ladder years ago and it was made very difficult. Poles, I've heard, often get it easily. Britain treats Brits horribly. We need to ship out the scroungers ASAP. I mean like that Somali woman and so many others.

I like living in a multinational country. i dislike the illegal immigrants who get status like her. eu nationals have a right to be here, i like the fact they do. we are all in the eu, it helps people in many different ways. she has no ties to this country, and i'm sure her children could go to school in denmark or somalia.

I am pretty sure I understand ordinary Brits feelings quite well,my only issue here (like I already said) is that the Poles were made a scapegoat while there are milions of ILLEGAL workers from Asia and Africa in the UK and I don't see British media making a fuss about them but the Poles are constantly under the scope.Just watch the show "UK borders something" on YT.Your immigration system is a freaking joke.Arrested ILLEGAL workers are being released back to "circulation" when they say they have no passport and obviously none of them say he has one.


This is nothing my friend.Check this out.
youtube.com/watch?v=y9XEb_V4SoQ
She lives in a luxury house in London posh area at Brits expense and can't even cover a FIFTH of the rent!

Grubas i know how you feel, but it is our media that you are referring to, not us ourselves. you know my feelings on eu nationals in GB, i love it, but it is the illegals the brits themselves have an issue with. and uk border force does highlight this as well, especially with the dover calais ferries, and the people trying to escape the "jungle" as it is called.

to be honest i don't read the rags, because they are filled with rubbish, and the eu nationals ,and the brits, i know, understand this.

the sun, the mirror, news of the world, daily sport, all the rest of the red tops just tend to print stuff without checking it factually.

Yeah, many Poles accept almost squalor so that they can save and send money home whilst trash scoop up in true lottery style. Time to get off the Poles' backs and target the real problem people.

see if we sorted out the illegals, then the real eu citizens could have decent jobs and not live in overcrowded houses like i said earlier. however grubas jumped down my neck and said we should make all immigrants legal. he seems to have switched his opinion slightly on that.

Well,I was being sarcastic.Everyone here knows that when it comes to Poland I am a staunch immigration opponent,though I tolerate Americans(for personal reasons) and EU nationals in Poland but when it comes to UK ,well you guys do what you want to,none of my bussines I only feel it is not fair to constanly bash Poles in British media since they seem to be the least of UK immigration problems(though being a Pole I admit I may be biased).

but I agree with you, you are exactly right. I agree with EU nationals, and what I should have said earlier when I said going about it in the right way, I was referring to asylum seekrs, who enter through the proper channels. I hate the fact we have illegal immigrants, but I do think a level of immigration is good for a country. GB has lost control of it, and brits hate that. We lose a lot of money on illegal immigrants which we then have to pay for in council tax and the like. I love having EU nationals in the UK, its a good thing. Illegal immigrancy isn't, and our government needs to do more about it. And yes uk border force does show a lot of illegals absconding whilst waiting for paperwork to deport, but there are still a lot deported the media don't report about. our media are stupid. Read the times or the independant, much more likely to not mention poles etc.

I think it is a delibarate policy of some political forces (will I be wrong if I state that it is a Labour policy) - to have as much immigrants as possible who rely on as many give-outs as possible - and they can vote for us who provide the give-outs - I wonder if depriving those who mostly live off give-outs their voting rights could be a good stoppage to such policies (and finally make some of the people rely on themselves)

Well, it's a tough one, gumishu. I've heard from many of my friends that Job Seekers Allowance (JSA) was given all too easily, effectively a rubber stamp. Now, if sb can really prove they have been trying to get work but have been met with rejection then benefits are fair enough. However, some seem to just turn up and get them. Poles tend to research things back home first and then enter into their new set-up. That's what the EU Directive asks of them and most seem to comply. They are NOT the main problem at all. It's just as well Brits like curry and corner shops, otherwise many Indians and Pakistanis would be out of business very quickly. Poles do a lot of the factory work, which is important in its own way.

The reason why brits can complain about poles is simple: You can't be racist when complaining about white immigrants. Now if yu start criticising Somali, paki etc immigrants then you risk being labelled a racist.

Off course you can be racist. It is still racism. The same as it is racism when you talk about serbs, egyptians, greeks, irish, scottish, welsh, english. Why is it not racism? Racism is not just the colour of a persons skin. And Pakistani's, Indians, Somali's, Africans are criticised as well. Not so in the media but by british residents. Our govt fcuked up. Don't you get that? And we are paying for it. All the Iraquis who come in on the back of lorries, we pay for them. And that includes everybody who is living in the UK legally, poles, brits, africans, everybody. If you are living in the UK now, you are paying for the mistakes Labour left behind. There is no issue with poles being in the uk, or any europeans for that matter. Its amazing that you even want to live in the uk, considering the state of it. Eu citizens have freedom to come and go and i think its brilliant. Don't tar all brits with the same brush. That my friend is racism.

In fact read some brit newspapers. The biggest group of people whinged about in the uk media is benefit scroungers. Every day new stories about benefit scroungers. They drain resources, along with illegal immigrants.

Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal?

No, but Brits must have someone to blame for invasion of UK by Pakis and Muslims...Of course, they won't blame their own politicians, and to cite Jewish influence in this open borders policy would be 'hate crime'.

Strategy called 'divide & conquer'.

What the UK needs to do is...

throw out all the rubbish people...whatever colour they are....

and yes that includes the white English people who were born there and have never done a days work in their life...