The more subtle differences: Ireland/Britain v Poland

Yeah? I wouldn't be sure about that.


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I tell you something that is not brought so much to light, is the prehistory.
In Ireland the place is littered with portal dolmens, ring forts and sites like Newgrange.
In England you have Stone Henge and other megalithic structures but here it's not shown so much or maybe I just miss it, i can't deny that could be a factor but I do actively look for it...

I would. The ones in the Czech Republic are largely later buildings, and Lichtenstein (pop. 35,000, 60sqm) hardly counts.


Yes. The British Isles (and people forget northern Scotland in this respect) have a huge amount of pre-Roman remains.
In Poland there are some, but only some, and a tragic thing that happened was stone circles being destroyed in the 1930s by the order of village priests. Something similar happened in Spain.

So come on then, show us some sources :)


Really? I never heard of that, have you any further reading on it, please?


Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
not even megalithic man :)

Can't be arsed


I'll look it up - one was in Warsaw!

Most of the Megalithic structures are dotted around the European coast, I wonder if the Baltic coast has many examples?

Just a quick google was fruitful:



And who could forget my own thread :) The Celts in Poland. where I hypothesised "Celtic Cairns" here in Poland. i call them 'Celtic' but I think they pre-date the Celts, even in Ireland.


The English damp weather has obviously effected your ability to debate ;p (it's drizzling here too).

to save water.

I think you missed the irony.

perhaps it shoul;d have read "The English consider themselves a self-made race"

I'd suggest the thing about the English is they were just better at doing it than a lot of others, who would have done it if they had had the chance. name any major power that hasn't done it?


Like the British army flags captured by American forces during the war of independence.

The reason was due to public health rules in some big cities, about not mixing hot and cold water. Though the rules have now changed, not everyone has switched to mixer taps, although individual taps are increasingly rare.


Exactly.

Living in warmia and mazury, I can vouch for a load of Teutonic castles. Malbork is nearby and is the biggest castle in Europe (or biggest brick one, I can't remember).

It's the biggest brick castle in the world, Windsor is the biggest castle in the world.

It's certainly one of the largest brick ones, and by far the largest from that period - but there aren't that many others.

There are loads and loads, I am not just saying that in some mad bout of insanity.

They look different to the Island ones, I will give you that but I wouldn't say there are less.

i still think you've been in Warsaw too long.

Not that many compared to the British Isles, which have a huge number.
Though my point is about historic buildings in general. Not just the odd ruined castle or preserved palace, but the whole built environment, which in PL is generally far newer than in the UK.


If only! I haven't bee there for ages :-(

I agree with SeanBM, if you venture out of the cities and into the "deep" country you will find tonnes of castle, towers, palaces. They're there and not really that hard to find.


Though the UK has been a warring country with itself more often during history. Wales has more castles than any other country in the world.

Aren't races? God has nothing to do with it.


Fastly becoming a thing of the past, I got barged in front of by a couple of africans and an old chinese woman tonight as the bus pulled up (Id been waiting for 20 minutes and was there before all of them!)...Politeness doesnt pay any longer and for one who has always given up a seat, I wont be standing there with my slightly naive English polite ways..Im sick of it! Its the same in supermarkets in the city centre...


I dont think he was talking about that...Also, we're not the only ones..what about the the Aztecs?


And they have been treated with care and on show for the world.....But to be honest Id give it all back if we could have the Bayeux Tapestry back that was woven by English women! But I bet you didnt know that!

Sounds like most of the North of England :D


We have engineered the conditions to maintain these artifacts...otherwise they would have perished!


Was she a sculper? Her names ring a bell..



UK is the British Isles..and Wales is part of that...He meant on the Island, not just England..

Agree 100%


I mean all the stuff that went from the UK to America. I'm sure they're looking after it all nicely, and we have plenty to spare, but still - people would be surprised at the extent.


Yes

Only mad men and Jonni don't :)


But there were people here before people started calling themselves 'Polish' as an identity for thousands of years. How is the U.K. older than that?

I really don't think that the U.K. has more, I could be wrong but I doubt it.

What??!?

I mean the large number of 17th and 18th century buildings that were erected in the UK and still survive, not pre-slavic/romano-british stuff!

So did I, I was just pointing out the point that a lot of the UK and Irelands castle remain because we weren't invade that many times unless we were fighting ourselves.

Wales is part of the uk? try telling them that :P

I focused on the "my point is about historic buildings in general." "which in PL is generally far newer than in the UK." part.


Ok, I see your point with that but using some rational thinking, wouldn't the castles here have been destroyed because of feudal wars (for which the castles were built to defend against) than in Britain?

Of course. Just as hundreds (if not thousands) in the UK were dismantled after the Restoration to prevent them being used. Most have still left substantial ruins, and the stone from the depredations usually still remains in nearby buildings.

hahahaha :)

Its funny you say that, my friends grandmother is German and they were (still are!) extremely wealthy, when they came back their rather extensive property in the Black Forrest it had been stripped bare by the Yanks! Cheeky feckers were still living in too!


We covered her in School..I just googled her now to make sure I was right...So ahead of her time..And a woman too in them times..


Add Shelley to that...Just think Sean, all those items that would have been lost and gone unadmired had it not been for us theiving scum...Tombs were robbed in Egypt by locals and items sold off or worse melted down..history was lost...As much as you hate it we have preseved it and brought the past to life...Plus given so much joy to others...You might want to think on...museums dont charge in the UK so its FREE for all to see, nobody is making a profit out it..British tax payers ensure that these items are cared for.


There have been tribes on my Island for over 500,000 years...Angles was the first term which was coined by the Romans...which was in about 55BC.

By the way how long have the Irish been known as "Irish" !!!!!!!!!!

Are you sure about that, cos im sure it may not be the case since they were a German tribe that settled in England after the roman occupation.

Hmmm....My mistake :( Anyway, Im English...A Briton, not British (hate that term!)..I dont even mind the fact we were feck left right and centre by the Romans, Germans and French..oh and the Danes to a lesser extent (only in the North and East, this I know to be true because of archaeological digs - got a friend who was an archiologist :D )..Anyway...Regardless of the time we've had the name..Its the most known throughout the world!!!!

I did :)


Justifying theft, doesn't make it any less of a theft.
"I robbed him of his millions because he probably wouldn't have spent it properly..."


Where did I say I hated it? cheers.


Are you high?

just one or two 0's too many ;) If she was high she would have described the whole 56789BC war between the English humans against the botfly octopus tribes... :P

Earliest findings are from after the last ice age, (approx 9,000 years ago).
Modern day humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago.



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Anglo-Saxon_England


The words 'Ireland' and 'Irish' come from 'Érainn' - proto-historic period. They arrived in Ireland from the Continent about 500 B.C. (that's 2500 years ago).


Obviously more needs to be done.

Well, there's a whole tourist route based on the Teutonic castles in "Prussia". Just off the top of my head I can think of Olsztyn, Olsztynek, Ryn, Węgorzewo, Nidzica, Kętrzyn and those are just the ones I drove past recently.

Then there's all the churches and religious sites up here too.

I get your point about the age and amount, but it's not as if there isn't anything.


Arrrgh! It was a joke, OK? It's like a joke about the English thinking they are so superior... and if they think they are 'self-made' then nobody can blame god for them. (Sound of Trevek banging his head against the wall repeatedly whilst muttering, "it was a joke... it was a joke!!!!!")

To all,The topic seems to have expanded beyond 'subtle differences'. Please get back on track. Thank you.