Are Polish people importing a new wave of ancient racism into the UK?

Human is not a race, human is a species. There's only one human species- homo sapien.

Species are divided down to sub-species, not races.
If you read Darwin you will see he mentions various races of cabbage for example and a plurality of races of domestic(British) dogs. Races divided the way there are now sprung from justifying slavery by claiming they are an alien race. Generally race is accepted as a mental construct, that is, has no objective scientific meaning, species does There is no such thing as a permanent race according to Darwin.

Humans can be considered a race of humanoids as an example when speaking of the human race. Race is not a synonym for pedigrees as racists like to think of it. You know how pedigrees are made, of course.

Well they may not understand your opinion as they may disagree with the reasoning you've used to get to your opinion, but that's a maybe.

What I really wanted to comment on is your use of the words "hatred" and "racism" together. It's more of a question really, if racism is a type of hatred based on a pseudo-science, could you define how that hatred is manifested and or expressed? How do you decide what qualifies as hatred and not only that but hatred based on racism and what doesn't qualify as one of those two things? Is there a qualitative way to measure this or are we drifting towards pseudo-science?

Humans have no sub species. Every human is homo sapien.

This is in the realm of sociology, which is not an exact science. It's not pseudo-science because it doesn't claim to be an exact science. Racist theories, on the other hand, do claim to be scientific. When the nazis measured skulls, they were trying to give a scientific justification to their paranoia. Hutus didn't use racial theories to kill Tutsis. But that didn't make them any better.

Here is a bit of stereotyping in Poland: jewish 'dolls' holding bags of money:

Yes, it can; we are all one race and as pointed out by previous posters - the human race. Classifying people by race was a way of identifying 'otherness' and therefore suspicion and even hatred.


Do you know if those dolls were made in Poland and are they sold there and elsewhere in Europe? Also, in what context are they held?

Do you really believe that all of Poland holds such stereotypes of Jews?

Do you believe that Jews also hold stereotypes and prejudices against non-Jews including Poles?

that's a stupid question. There is nothing that "all of Poland" does. But these dolls are fairly common there, and I don't think they would have much of a market in many other countries.


I'd need some examples to give an opinion on that.

You only find it stupid because you are uncomfortable giving an answer. You are the one who presented a photo describing it as


. You didn't say it was a view held by just a minority in Poland. Instead you are the one who made an unfounded generalization and mentioned the country Poland itself.

Zimmy also asked you a very important question regarding the origin of the photo you showed everybody:


Where did you get this photo anyway? If it is something being sold in Poland then list several places that carry them. Are they made in Poland? If so then who makes them?

By the way, why did you avoid answering my very legitimate question regarding stereotypes and prejudices that are held by Jews against others? I'll ask again, in your view are Jews capable of holding exaggerated and/or unfounded beliefs about non-Jews including Poles? Yes or no? Its not for me to provide examples to you. You either believe they are also capable of bigotry or you don't believe it.

I have never seen them before you posted picture of them in here !

that's a laugh! You're the one squirming all about because of that picture. For all I know, it's a good luck charm, but stereotype it surely is!

As to what and where, do a google search on Jewish dolls holding bags of money or something, it will be faster than your silly plot to "corner me"..

Also, when you bring a point, it would be wise to at least have an example in mind, otherwise you might look foolish.

Is this necessarily negative stereotyping? These dolls are nostalgic and they may even evoke cheerful memories. As Schopehauer wrote:


The World as Will and Representation, Volume II, Chapter XXX

Plot to corner you? That sounds paranoid. I asked you a very unambiguous question as to whether you believe Jews are capable of similar acts of stereotyping of others or not. Examples don't need to be provided. It's something you either believe or you don't.

You obviously have no problem believing and even telling others in public forums that Poles are bigoted towards Jews. So it is perfectly reasonable to ask the opposite as to whether you believe Jews are capable of being bigoted against Poles or other non-Jews. You should be able to answer this for yourself with confidence and not qualification; unless of course there is a very uncomfortable reality you would rather not acknowledge.

It's pretty evident from your evasive answers you have quite a ways to go in maturing. You are the one who posted an image and then claimed without any proof that it is linked to Polish stereotyping of Jews. You still can't name the country where these figurines are made or sold. Instead you lazily expect others to go on a wild goose chase across the internet to find evidence that you are somehow correct. You didn't seem to have a problem taking the time to find the photo and posting it for everyone though. No reason then why shouldn't support your claims when asked. Since you can't others will simply have to make their own conclusions about you and your motives.

But let's face it, you are just enjoying spreading wild stereotypes about Poles in order see the reactions you can get out of others. But you need to realize that you are not helping Jews overcome any misunderstandings they may have about Poles. You are only behaving like a wedge between the two communities.

You really need to hard look at yourself before you call anyone else foolish.

Seriously, I cannot even get through to the end of your post because of your convoluted logic. You have to blow hot air up somebody else's ass, or, better still, practice your psycho-analyzing on yourself.

You're obscenities and name calling prove everything I just pointed out about you. You really do speak for yourself in more ways that you realize or are prepared to admit.

read it again, then, and stop wasting my time.


I don't know, but judging from the fact that some idiots would rather argue with the messenger than look for themselves, it must be negative.

There's nothing to re-read. You blatantly presented Poles as stereotyping Jews which is in itself a stereotype of Poles. You were rightfully questioned about this not just by me but others. Rather than be honest with yourself and others you instead gave evasive responses or you flatly refused to answer and then resorted to insults.

If you don't want your time wasted then you shouldn't start something you can't finish.

Fair enough. But what about my question:

Here, for lazy Bieganski and the like:
"TF: Poland is beautiful, but I also have to say that I saw a wood carving of a Jew holding money.
"What is this?" I asked a Pole, who told me matter-of-factly, "Oh, the Jews are good with money."
I said, "In my country, that's called racial profiling." The Pole said to me, "Why? We'd put an Arab next to an oil well."

So this is their "compliment" to the Jews."

raedwald.blogspot.com/2012/03/eastern-sore-spots-1.html
charlescrawford.biz/blog/jews-in-poland
jewishjournal.com/rob_eshman/article/the_new_life_20101020/
blog.newvoices.org/2011/10/05/contemporary-jewish-poland-celebr ation-or-denigration-back-to-the-old-country/
myjewishlearning.com/hot_topics/ht/zydki.shtml

It's obvious that you enjoy stereotyping Poles but never calculated that it would backfire on you.

Are you Jewish by any chance?

So if someone disagrees with your opinion you play the Jewish card?

Nice work there old chap...

Jewish card? What are you talking about?

f stop made a posting which stereotypes Poles. There is no getting around this.

I asked her more questions regarding it and you can see for yourself how negatively she reacted.

When she did finally get around to grudgingly posting some links there were for solely Jewish interest websites. If she is Jewish then you dtaylor5632 will need to explain what the problem would be in her sharing that information. There is nothing for her to be ashamed of is there? Only you can answer that one.

no, she made a posting that showed Poles stereotyping about Jews. Big difference.


Erm, excuse me? Is your head so far up your own back-side kissing it, that you really think I need to explain anything? Seriously?? Haha!

From reading some of your other posts, it seems that logic is something that may be missing in your abilities.

Have a nice day ;)

Anyway. It's clear then that no group, especially Poles, need to attach any weight regarding false accusations of stereotyping when lobbed by the likes of you and f stop.

just in case anyone has something to say on the topic.

Topic: Are polish people importing a new wave of ancient racism into the UK?

F-Stop if your links were intended to make a case for those figurines being an example of this thread's titular "ancient racism" then you posted the wrong ones. From the first one you linked to:


raedwald.blogspot.com/2012/03/eastern-sore-spots-1.html

All the links explain these figurines as traditional Polish folk art. Would you say a sculpture of a Pole farming "stereotypes" all Poles as peasants? Jewish moneylenders were a part of Poland for centuries. Those figurines were not carved out of malice and your bringing them into this thread was foolish.

Duh,hence the certain negative Jewish stereotype among Poles, whether it's wide-spread now days is a completely different story. I, for one, have encountered it.

The whole case with those wooden sculptures reminds me Zwarte Piet (the Santa Claus' helper) in the Netherlands. They were also accused of racism (because Zwarte Piet is traditionally dark-skinned).

Americans should stop bring their beliefs in regard to what is racist and what is not. They sermon other nations while they don't see nothing wrong for example with this:

youtube.com/watch?v=_3NJ4cvDAn0

"Forget about the Polish, it's the T-Rex who is real dumb"

...but I guess it's not


Those sculptures are not intended to offend anyone. They have generally friendly face and the money attribute is to bring wealth and luck. It's a popular folk art motive (not only in carving but in painting too).

I know that in English speaking countries there were popular malicious, virulent caricatures of Jews, which depicted them as nasty individuals. It is definitely not the case with those folk art bibelots, as well as black make up of actors who play Zwarte Piet is not the same thing as insulting carricatures in the American XIX/XX century minstrel shows.

the links were in reply to somebody that accused me of manufacturing the dolls myself, then taking a picture so I can post it here. That idiotic accusation got booted, but the reply stayed.


That, I can actually believe! Thank you!