Well, I took it that way. Your comment wouldn't make any sense as an answer to whatever others have posted at that time.
Congratulations... you are the first one on my ignore list...
It's like I give a damn whether I'm on your ignore list or not, lol. Watch how you put your words together next time and who you're replying to and maybe you'll avoid this kind of situations.
What the hell are you people on ? I'm British and work alongside many EU workers including Poles , they are much the same as any other race of people . Some of the Poles are excellent people who work hard and some aren't as in any sector of people , I don't think the average British person thinks or cares that much about race or religion . Generally we tend to hate on an equal opportunity basis which includes some of our own , I'd say that the general population of the U.K hate more of its own people than anyone from foreign lands . We have a welfare system that seems to allow british people to do very little other than sit on their bums if they don't fancy participating in society and this is all at the cost of anyone who pays tax in the U.K this includes migrant workers .
In answer to your question I'd say that Britain is generally tolerant of any race and the mere suggestion of being called the cradle of antipolonism is quite disgusting considering what the U.K puts into the crumbling EU system , I can't think of one singular comment in the area I live in against the EU migrant workers that have heavily populated the surrounding towns but I can think of lots of comments about some of the lazy scumbags that are British born and bred .
Polish businesses existed in this country decades before you were even thought of. I was born walking distance from several Polish shops, a Polish church and community centre, and I'm not exactly in my teens or 20s.
However, as you probably live in a "hick town", you are aptly named, so it's not surprising that you don't realise that many British cities had large Polish populations many decades ago.
I can guarantee that you would not be able to tell that my parents, our other Polish immigrant relatives or friends, and their descendants (including myself) are actually Polish, so your complaint about "lack of integration" is nonsense. Virtually all of the 250000 Poles who were here before 2004 have fully integrated, and do not walk around dressed like chavs or gold-diggers.
Those who have arrived after 2004 may or may not have integrated, depending on how long they have been here. Those who refuse to learn English, and contribute nothing, should be deported - they are not wanted or needed, and they do nothing for the Polish community who were already here, except give us a bad name.
The Poles pre-2004 are fine. Just a normal immigrant community.. obviously there are hotspots where they mainly lived etc But they are just normal people who spoke English, integrated well because they HAD to. they were a tiny minority.
The post-2004 are guilty of trying to bring Poland to the UK. They are xenophobic, extremely nationalistic. If it ain't Polish, it's shite.
Seriously who the hell goes to live in another country, and watches their own TV shows from country of origin LOL I bet the majorty of Polish households in the UK have a Polish TV Decoder. They don't know anything about the news and the goings-on in the country etc. They don't care.
They only live here for Jobs, and "Benefity".
They hardly socialise, they hate our food, they shop at polish shops. they send their kids to "polish kindergarten"
Jesus Christ, they try and source down Polish Doctors and Dentists LOL.. (WTF is that about? please explain)
I wouldn't class the Polish people who come here as "decent" people on the whole. Generally the low-lifes who cannot get a job in Poland but want to make good money here.. ie the social underclass
Don't worry about it, that's only because you are dumb too.I will explain then.I am calling you a scum because you are xenophobic and extremly nationalistic scum.
Makes sense?You also do harm to all decent Brits because as much as I and people like me try not be prejudiced against Brits,scum like you make it very hard and I caught myself prejudicing and discriminating against your fellow countrymen.
Grubas, your bringing of nationality into it too says a lot about you. You are just mud slinging!
I rarely agree with hudson but he was right on the money with what he said in post 131 (most). Many Poles have tried to create a Poland from Poland. That's fine in the sense of carving out home comforts but it sends out a strong message that the only reason they are in the UK is for money. Otherwise, they would just go back to Poland proper.
You know, sth from last night spoke volumes and lends support to the idea that it has to be Polish. A group of guys were sitting in the local where I drink and that local has 196 types of beer, many of them are international. Rather than go for an international option, which is a large part of the reason I personally go there (there are other good reasons), they were all drinking Żubr. All of them, bar none! (6 guys). Sorry but if I go to an international restaurant in Poland then probably the last thing I will look at will be Polish food. Not because I don't like it, I love most Polish food, it's more a case of being exposed to other things which you don't sample on a daily basis.
Some Poles travel well but the great majority are lost without the comfort of authentic Polish surroudings. For me, that's just a fact and not an opinion. Their linguistic skills often come up short, they fall into depression without Tyskie and they do their utmost to replicate life as it was for them in Poland, just with more money. What part of that reality don't you grasp, grubas? Hudson is not lying at all above.
As for jobs, hudson, they do go through the recruitment process, you know!? There is a vetting process for some jobs. I think the benefits issue is overplayed but if they match the criteria for entitlement, where's the problem? It's a British system, remember? I would do the same here without any hint of guilt as I effectively give 900PLN away to the state so they can finance things.
Social problems? Poles are often well behaved folks. Yes, young males in groups can be rowdy but that's nothing new. British guys tend to be much louder.
but it sends out a strong message that the only reason they are in the UK is for money.
And what's wrong with that?Sounds like a decent reason to me.
Take into account that imported stuff is significantly more expensive than Made in Poland.Will you agree?Also,why should they drink something else when they like Zubr?All Americans I know drink cheap American beer and you know what Coors Light taste like.So I don't really see what's your point?Personally I am glad they spend money on Polish made beer whatever their's motivation is.
Some Poles travel well but the great majority are lost without the comfort of authentic Polish surroudings
Don't you think you can say the same about any and every other nation?
For me, that's just a fact and not an opinion
It's not a fact,it's ONLY YOUR OPINION.
Their linguistic skills often come up short, they fall into depression without Tyskie and they do their utmost to replicate life as it was for them in Poland, just with more money.
Now you are stereotyping,you know that?I think you should leave Poland and go back where you came from xenophobic pig.
Hudson is not lying at all above.
Hudson is talking s h i t about 38 milions of individuals.
But why does he attack Poles so much, when (a) I suspect his town is simply not as affected by Polish immigration as others are, and (b) there are other communities who deserve far more ridicule for non-integration than Poles do.
I can guarantee that he will never meet a second-generation Polish child/adult with a "Polish" accent, yet there are many British-born Pakistani adults with immigrant grandparents, who still sound like "Asians". Additionally, coming from a non-English speaking family doesn't seem to hold those Polish children back in education or the workforce, yet other groups (who actually come from English-speaking backgrounds) say that being "ethnic" holds them back!
Furthermore, if he went on asianforum.co.uk etc., he wouldn't last five minutes before being banned. Which makes you wonder just why the mods seem to love reading anti-Polish views so much.
1 Million Unemployed young people in the UK 1 Million Eastern European immigrants in the UK
Simple maths. We don't need you.
And how many more African, Carribbean or Asian immigrants? Are you a journalist or something?
Come back when a group of Polish men do a "drive-by" in your village, "stab u up" for "disrespect", or beat up your sister for "under-dressing".
Seanus,you could swap everything you said word for word with " Brits in Spain", the ones that stick out are the ones at "English hotels" eating english breakfasts watching english football in the english bar and moaning about the locals being lazy workshy scroungers taking hours off for lunch.......people like me and you cant understand them but they are there, I spent all my time in Spain never meeting other British people,the only non Spaniard we knew was a mysterious Polish Count called Maximilian on his uppers :)
Is the only reason you are in America and not Poland money, grubas? If not, why not? What else is there?
It is their choice what they drink, true, but I just found it a little odd that they wouldn't use the very trump card and selling point of the place. Having said that, they did look studenty so hardly flush for cash. They do tend to cling to their own generally but that's their thing.
I would say that the travelling thing applies more in the case of Poles, grubas. There is a Borgish mentality to some extent.
It's a fact as it can be shown to be true, grubas.
Many were depressed when Tyskie wasn't available. The linguistic skills of many came up short as a lot of the underclass went across. Many Brits and Poles will tell you the same, grubas. This is just a reality and can be verified most notably by Poles themselves who are ashamed of such 'ambassadors'. Always remember, when it comes to my posts I have a specific group in mind. Out of all the posters here, I am the guy that says 'some Poles' the most. I HATE stereotyping as it's done by many and I also show that Poles are not as homogeneous as they think at times. That Borgish mentality only goes so far but many strive for it.
If he tarred all with one brush then it goes without saying that he is wrong. This is supposed to be an educational discourse and not mud slinging so I hope he qualifies what he says.
Sid, I see your point. Singling out one group is not the way to go but this is a Polish forum so at least he is on topic ;)
Ist2, I agree. However, I don't want to digress and I'd just end up getting angry at how Brits, esp tos*ers from England, treat Spain with contempt. They call their food 'foreign muck' but I love it. That's all I wanted to say on a tangent. Back to Poles, I think some Brits may find some tactless due to their honesty. If a Pole believes sth is cr*p then they will often just out with it and say so. It's a different culture and we have to acknowledge that. However, I imagine many Poles to be respectful there and just say nothing out of not wanting to cause offence.
I can guarantee that he will never meet a second-generation Polish child/adult with a "Polish" accent,
And what is wrong with "Polish" if it's clearly understandable?Last night I was watching House Hunters International and there was English dude with American wife and Italian relator women.American and Italian accents were fine,I was actually surprised about this Italien chick accent and the Brit sounded like a person with impeded speach.This kind of thinking,judging a person by an accent is xenophobic as **** and very close minded.
The Brits in Spain argument is laughable. The majority of the Brits are retired, living of their pension in the sun. They are a net asset, they bring money in, and they don't send money home to the family.
The British are a skilled expat community, they take specialist skills, or they take money.
Most of the time they are in the ex-colonies, where you HAVE to have needed- skills, or money to get in. Simples Oh we speak the same language. Always a bonus.
Australia 1,300,000 Spain 761,000 United States 678,000 Canada 603,000 Ireland 291,000 New Zealand 215,000 South Africa 212,000 France 200,000
Is the only reason you are in America and not Poland money, grubas? If not, why not? What else is there?
Not the only reason but partly,yes.In a sense that I am not being RAPED with taxes which are going to be wasted anyway.Also I like the feeling of how big this country is and you can jump in the car to go completly different place with a different climate and many subtle differences yet people still speak the lingo I can understand and I am in the system.You feel me?
Fair point, hudson. However, they have a right to send that money home. That's the bottom line. Is it their fault that salaries in Poland are often not what they should be? I guarantee you that many Poles are highly skilled too.
Grubas, do you think Poles went to Britain with those options in mind? Why were they in such a hurry to get out of Poland?
The floodgates was also the fault of the lack of safeguards sought by the British side. They sought no caps on immigration. The powers that be got what they wanted. They now have an excuse for imposing control in umbrella fashion.
I'm not bothered really about the poles taking our money.. our country is wealthy enough.
After all we send the likes of India 1Billion in aid every year so they can fund their military and nuke arsenal :D :D haha
I just wish the Poles would integrate more and be normal immigrants. Theres people out there who hve worked here since 2004 and they cannot write a word of English.
They don't need to they're offered translators when they go to claim benefits LOL Laughable.
And what is wrong with "Polish" if it's clearly understandable?
It's not about being "understandable", it's about whether you are willing to allow your children to integrate into British society. Sounding like your immigrant grandparents suggests an insular upbringing.
Poles have always integrated well over here; Pakistanis often do not, even though they have been here almost as long as us. There are still parts of this country with shops which have signs written entirely in Urdu, yet every Polish shop I have ever seen (in many different cities) always have "Polish Food" or something similar on the sign. Polish business owners actually have the manners to write something on their signs in English, even though many Asian businesses do not.
the Brit sounded like a person with impeded speach
judging a person by an accent is xenophobic as **** and very close minded
I just wish the Poles would integrate more and be normal immigrants. Theres people out there who hve worked here since 2004 and they cannot write a word of English.
Maybe it's a time to actually meet some of them? Have you ever tried to talk and befriend with some Pole? I find it strange when many British and Irish on this site say that they know Polish people in Britain and Ireland and have Polish friends, while you don't. Maybe it's just that you don't want to and the only thing you want is to put someone down and Poles are an easy target.
The Pakistanis have been here for years. There lack of integration is kind of acceptable now because they're from a stone-age backwards society. They are Islamic (say no more hah)
It's saddening to see the same behavior from the poles. fellow Europeans/
I actually quite like the Indians, i think they integrate well. I've been in some Indian homes, they're just as British as us aside from the cuisine they hold dear to and the family values about daughters meeting men too early. They're OK. I love some of the Asian stores you find in Birmingham love the spices and herbs useful to cook curry with!
I prefer Indian curry to stinky polish sausages that you can buy in Lidl, or Aldi anyways. But thats just me :P
Hudson, haven't you ever thought that they shy away for a reason? Sometimes it's part of their character but it's more to do with them acknowledging that more and more Brits are seeing them as convenient scapegoats and objects of dislike. Do you think you'd be well received in Compton and Harlem, for example? Many Poles do make an effort to mix and they are often well received.
