How might Britain`s withdrawal from EU affect Poles there and here?

Hard to imagine that their toxic rhetoric and hate speech entirely passed him by.

"nationalism and mental illness."

That's a new one for me, can you post some credibal studies / sources

The two concepts might be relatedLOL

examples please

Just go onto Facebook Roz, or the reader comments section of newspaper websites. Plus a few posts in this thread fit that bill.

Amazing that some individuals would want to leave the world's largest trading bloc and potentially impoverage themselves. China etc must be rubbing their hands with glee.

I notice that the government in Poland are getting a bit worried too.

There's already an established link between organised nationalism and mental illness.

So are you saying that because I sing the Polish national anthem I am mentally ill,?

This all sounds like the hate speech that came out of Nazi Germany in the 30's, designed to dehumanize a race or a group of people.

Is singing a national anthem only for nationalists? Don't be disingenuous...

Thats your opinion. I put my money where my mouth is for 20 years in business, UK and Europe, and I say you are wrong. Majority of people living in the UK will benefit if the exit is handled even half correctly. Large corporations stand the most to lose on Brexit, thats why you have seen them fight the remain corner. Europe talks about further integration, but they have had the chance to make the EU equal and fair for all members, granting the same rights to all members. But they have not done this. So it is to be expected that various national parties and citizens are disgruntled and are looking to back away.

"Don't be disingenuous.",

You won't draw me into one of your traps, I have seen it in action too many times.

Answer the Question jon, let me re-phrase would you say that a Scottish nationalist is mentally ill.

Please backup your comment with hard proof "There's already an established link between organised nationalism and mental illness."

People have been conditioned to believe blind globalisation and integration is still the way forward.

"People have been conditioned to believe "

This may or may not be true but to label a nationalist as mentally ill is beyond the pale, we don't want to go back to the bad old days of Hitler and Stalin, at the end of the day democracy and freedom of speech should rule.

no jon you clearly stated that it was the 'Brexit Campaign' that used 'toxic rhetoric and hate speech'.

Mental illness is subjective. They try to, but you cant quantify if with tests and numbers. Its comes in shades. So where is the cut off. Its funny how often we are expected just to believe things that another person has told us.

"we are expected just to believe things that another person has told us"

So true good job that we are free on this forum to call out some of the crazy comments that are made.

Back on topic I do think that the Polish and the Visegrad Group position against some of the federalist EU policies will be strengthened if Brexit occurs.

But In the short term I think that Brexit will be bad for Poland,

Short term it will be an upheaval for everyone, but in the medium term, it should kick start the EU big guns into changing their approach to the whole deal. If there is a Brexit and if they do not, theres a danger the whole Union will collapse. And in that case, anyone out of it (and in particular the euro) is going to be better off.

But lets hope any exit makes them see sense.

Nobody is leaving the EU at present PI, deffo not the UK.

Sorry to curb your enthusiasm for disaster and all that, just because of your outlining that "I'm alright Jack." Go and vote Brexit, that's your view, and I concur, but the young voters will have their say and Britain will stay in. I will bet my shirt on it.

I dont know Doug, I think it will be a close one.
IMO some people have not even decided yet and will decide when they get to the polling station.

That's terrible:) But would you or would you not agree Roz that Nigel has done a lot of harm to the Brexit case? I mean, you don't support this PIS shower, so why the love for Nige?

I wouldn't be so sure. I work in finance and even in our company there are some people who will be voting out. Even if they lose their jobs over it.

A lot of people are very determined to get out of the EU, NO MATTER THE COST.

The cost will be large. Overseas investors are very wary of putting money in the UK if it votes out. We have $400m waiting to be invested in the UK by US/EU investors. If we vote leave, half won't be coming here. Its a similar deal with commercial property, for instance, all recent deals have Brexit break clauses.

Our company is very small, this story will be reproduced all over the country. The figures could be huge, FDI in the UK varies between £25-80 billion per year. Those are jobs, tax income and public services that will disappear.

London is of course the EU headquarters for most international companies, many will have to relocate.

You may think, it won't matter if you don't get directly affected, well it will. Unemployed people don't pay tax and they cost money that the remaining works have to makeup.

I have a colleague who hangs about with Conservative MP's. He's hoping they can destroy the Welfare state once free of the EU and the public put the extreme right of the Conservatives in power with this vote.

Over 100bn has been pulled out of the UK this year, all the while the UK is still outperforming Europe in terms of growth, wages and inflation. If the pound is devalued a little, much of this money will return, given foreigners are then buying in at at even bigger discount.


Baseless rhetoric.

Another thing, the EU becomes less stable if the UK leaves. If you work in finance you should know that these days investors are chasing the safest places to park their money. The way the EU is going, its ready to impolde. Maybe the UK leaving will shake them into fair reform.

Plenty of that too, from Farage's comments on immigration to a lot of outright lies about what the EU is all about.

Some good news though, I was having a look at the odds bookmakers are offering and it seems they think common sense will prevail and we'll remain as part of the world's largest trading bloc.

I was about to post the same. Money tells the tale. And a lot of folks questioned on the street would say OUT as a sign of bravado to their mates or whatever.

When their livelyhoods are threatened by Brexit and they are in the privacy of the election booth, they will forget about how charismatic Boris is, or how Farage says the England of Richard the Lionheart must be protected at all costs (it died with the post-war social reforms).

It's a shoe in, and even at 4-7, a lot of the rich will be filling their boots, like they did with the Scottish Independence vote.

Well it seems Jo Cox was murdered through Conservative austerity. Tommy Mair the man who killed Cox, visited a local mental health centre that he claimed helped him, it was closed down a year ago and he blamed her and had a grudge against her saying: she cared more about Syrian children and Europe than she did him and the local centre.

So he wasn't a rasict thug, he was a mentally ill man who was let down by his government and local politician in favour of others from another land.

Am sure it will he a remain and people will only get what they deserve if it is. It won't change my mind on Brexit at all.

Is Nazi regalia OK with you then?

He did have neo-nazi literature in his house and was in contact with so-called 'white supremacist' groups.

A bit too early to make assumptions or try to justify anything - the police are still interviewing him!

Doubtless the full story will come out after the investigation and public inquiry.

Let's keep our fingers crossed that the vote will be to remain.

Based on contract law. If we Brexit, our company doesn't get the money.


How will the EU being less stable be of any benefit to the UK? its will still have a $15 trillion dollar economy to draw on.

The UK will be far less stable and higher risk economy. Why is why investors are backing out of the UK.

Smart investors backed out early and will buy back after the vote, whatever it may be. Sell high buy low and vice a versa. For what its worth if you get to buy the UK stockmarket at a sudden 20% discount to europe I know where investors and going to park their money. Because for corporations thats what its about, getting the best return for the lowest risk. The UK provides a different perspective to an otherwise blinkered EU core whose sole goal is to create a federal state which suits better the core than those at the periphery. Essentially the problem between the UK is always going to exist as one side wants further integration while the other side (UK) doesnt. It will continue to cause friction, better to let then EU get on with it and stop blaming the UK for holding up the integration.

I think it's a crying shame that people use the actions of a mentally Ill man to justify their lefty agenda. Saddam Hussein had WMDs acorrding to many experts but it turned out to be a false alarm but still thousands died under Labour high commands actions.

It is all over Reddit as to why he killed her !

There is even a remain hashtag for #remainforjo so people can vote remain in memory, truly heart felt.

Slavery was abolished in the UK once, to the cost of 70 billion in modern day money. Now on the increase with EU help, one day I hope it manages to abolish it once more.

Brexit will never happen and everybody knows that. Corruption and greed, tax evasion and banks wouldn't allow it.

This time next week it will all be over, Cameron will go down in history and be promoted to EU commissioner.

Who said they will buy back? this is a vote for a fundamental change to an economy, it will not be business as usual. There is no way of knowing what will be the situation for years after the vote. My colleague thinks it will be a year before they invoke article 50, which will give three years for negotiation.

That is three years of utter uncertainty. Plus years of trade negotiations.

Industry will have to restructure itself to the loss of the single market and the loss of overseas investment. Unless we attempt to join the EEA, which will negate the whole point of leaving the EU (blocking migration). Its doubtful we would be offered this option.


Its remarkable how decades of constant anti-EU propaganda has infect the minds of the British. I kind of hope the UK votes out, I have a lot to gain, so the schadenfreude will be strong. I like the EU to get a good kicking, China may come down in the crash too,

My big fear is the assistance Russia will gain from one of its geopolitical enemies being eliminated. Russia and North Korea will be happy.

themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/the-russian-guide-to-brexit-op-ed/572691.html

Russias beef is with the US, even today Putin called out Europe as the US's b***h. The offer to remove sanctions is there he said, but he is waiting for Europe to do the same, though believes Europe will not, to appease the US, despite the loss of business its companies continue to face.


In a world of diminishing returns and the hunt for yield, the chance to buy at a 20% discount will not be passed up. UK markets may not fall that much, but the exchange rate will provide foreign investors a further discount. The price relative to european assets will be extremely low. The funny thing about it is the the ECB is spending trillions trying to devalue its euro, while the UK will manage to do it without spending a penny.