How might Britain`s withdrawal from EU affect Poles there and here?

1. There's a big difference between London and small towns and cities in respect of eastern european immigration; in London we're more laid back about being an international city, our economy is booming, property is being sold off-the-book etc. I don't underestimate the cultural impact a large number of EEs will have on a small, close-knit town and Gillian Duffy was right to voice her concerns to Brown.

2. On my last development site the contractors had (amongst many others) 2 Albanians, a Romanian paving gang and a lad from Moldova. They were referred to collectively as 'the Poles'. In fact, just about anyone from EE gets lumped in as 'Polish' - many aren't

3. OK, there are cultural differences. They don't understand our habit of catching massive Carp and then putting them back in the water, or of not eating docile swans that waddle towards them. And free from the threat of arrest and imprisonment (4,000 currently in jail in Poland for this offence) they delight in London in cycling whilst drunk. Drinking vodka on the bus at 6.30am just because it's cold is also not widely understood here. These are minor quibbles and often cause more laughter than grief.

4. They graft. They turn up each day. They're not servile - they can answer back, which is good. And they have a sense of humour and like a beer, which is better. They're enterprising - and a recent academic study showed that they pay more in tax to the UK than they take in public services.

5. They don't have to like us, or our way of life. They're here to earn money and we employ them because they're both good and cheap.

6. Brown was mentally ill and saw demons everywhere he looked. Good riddance.

On the whole, I think we've both got a decent bargain.

btw. is collecting mushrooms a criminal offense too? :)


Then it means it's all about the Poles and other 'Eastern Europeans'. I would be suprised if the streets supported the withdraw from the eu for the economic reasons provided earlier.


Guys, there are people who are genuinely interested in Great Britain in terms of culture, history and language. Poles immigrated there in droves because many had good associations with this country and wanted to try a high life... really, whether London or Lincolnshire, several years ago it all was like living in New York. Being there one could feel like being in the centre of the universe.

In Lincolnshire???

Ah well, it's often reciprocated ;)

I was responding to Oxon's point "They disguise this fact with bright little smiles and appearing personable upon meetings with them but below the surface, they know exactly what they are doing. They care little about this country .." which I though very unfair - no-one should be so scared of bigotry that they fawn like a scolded dog; it's an affront to human dignity, and offensive to every ideal of fairness and support for the underdog that we hold dear. Perhaps instead of the 'bright little smiles' they should try a mouthful of fire-eyed rage-spitting fluent Polish invective ...

Well she was an ignorant bigot (personally, I would have punched her in the face). And that's the only occasion I ever felt any respect for the ex-PM.

Also, he was never elected PM. He was a back-door job as everyone knows.
Anyway Oxon what's with the dodgy spelling? Are you an American or just illiterate?
It looks like whether the UK is part of the EU or EEA they won't be able to stop EU migrants coming to work here. And what's wrong with that?

They work harder than most Brit's, are usually better educated and don't sit around in mosques all day, claiming benefits and planning to blow up our subways...

A section of the Uk have hated the EU even before the UK joined. and decades before Poland was a member. Its a pathological hatred of 'Johnny Foreigner'


I have already pointed out that leaving the EU and joining the EEA will not result in any changed in status for EU/EEA residents, but some on here are to thick to understand it.


France is a net contributor to the EU. The French are paying for Polish roads too. France pays more as a percent of its GDP than the UK.

Poland gets six billion from the EU, the same as Frances pays into the EU

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8036097.stm

Just a small personal view (not really valid now becaue I intend to stay in Poland for the est of my life unless there is some huge political upheval that makes it impossible) For UK I would happily lose all the Pakistanis and Africans and replace them with Poles....No lets say I would happily lose all the people who do not and will not integrate and replace them with Poles who are a. culturally closer to us and b. will probably, mostly integrate eventually.

Ed Miliband spoke out last year to say the relaxation of immigration controls - under which only Britain, Ireland and Sweden allowed people from new member countries unrestricted rights to live and work - were a 'mistake'.

Mr Miliband said the Labour government had underestimated both the numbers of Polish immigrants and the 'big effect' it had on living standards for working-class households.

But Mr Blair recently defended his record, saying Polish immigrants did 'good work in our country' and that 'most sensible people' appreciated their contribution to Britain.

Read more: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270398/Tony-Blair-national-hero-Polish--Former-PM-given-award-country-helping-thousands-come-live-Britain.html#ixzz2JUK2GBfa

Top 3 places Britain exported to on 2011 were USA Germany and China ~ so with improved trade outside the EU with India and other BRIC countries, the argument of us becoming bankrupt without the EU is rather silly. The EU is simply too large and is no longer beneficial to the UK - and the bigger it gets the poorer it becomes.

Liked your comment and agree with you about Brown but you forgot to mention the thousands of Poles who come here simply for the welfare benefits. If you are so happy with the Poles and their work ethcs and consider that you have as you say 'got a bargain ' why do you think it would be so hard to galvanize our local youth and have them do the jobs that many poles do? A governments first duty is protection of its citizens....not ex communist countries citizens. Doesn't this bother you or is your stomach too full?


The lady in question spoke her mind just like many do on talk radio stations. People don't like to feel invaded or to see hordes of foreigners with little dignity streaming up and down town centres . You obviously have some self serving agenda regarding your favouritism towards people from other countries. Are you British with British parents and British grandparents?

Hey Oxon.........I,m from Banbury Oxon......and I bought a Farm in The Podkarpacie......does that mean that the old saying Banbury born and Banbury bred..strong in the arm but thick in the head?? is mostly true. (note: I,m just a tractor perv........... honestly).

The facts say otherwise but sure feel free to repeat that BS ad nauseam.


Do you mind to share how did you manage to do that? Is there no restrictions in place?

Because prior to EU expansion, we didn't see the chavs queueing up for work. They were dolites then and they're dolites now.


What's that got to do with anything?


Very true.

1. Stop or cut down the benefits to the local population and force them to work.....simple.
2. If you are not of British heritage then you are a half breed or half cast from many countries and with much mixed blood. This means you don't really care about the UK or its culture. I can trace my pure bloodline back to my great grandparents.

3. How many times must I state the fact that I have a Pole living in the top flat of this house I live in who has been on welfare now for over a year and has no intention of ever working here. Why do you insist this is BS when I see it every day?

That's not very impressive. What if your great great grandparent was a foreigner? O_o


Because you also say that Poles live 10 in one room! ;P

fwiw i am European & English i just don't like what the EU has become, my happiest times were in Europe, i love Germany & Germans

I tried to emigrate to Malta in '09

i don't need to be in a political union with Germany, Poland etc even though i love them.
but i do feel strongly that there is such a thing as a european Identity that includes Ukraine and other non-eu states


using mostly free resources online like family search i'm back to 1275/1750/1575 (norman/viking)on my mothers side 1530 (English/Welsh/Irish) on my Dads side ;-)

phrases like "pure bloodline" scare me.. no English person has a pure bloodline even ones as spectacularly in-bred as me ;-) (i suspect mum & Dad share a common ancester)

my family tree is pretty typical for an English person and bloody boring,i keep hoping to find a Kazakh herdsman or something but there weren't many in Stoke on trent!

Too late for that now. Not until at least two generations of de-chavving, and that's not going to happen.


Nonsense. Some of the most patriotic British people have ancestors from other places.


Not very far back. Even with free resources you should be able to go further. Perhaps some of your great-grandparents were from other places.


Perhaps your neighbour has some health issue or other reason that you don't know about.


If you're lucky enough to be able to go back far enough, there are often big, big surprises.

pure blood
in england

right
england was invaded and raped countless times

Up to the11th Century, yes. Since then, no.

no
then we saw migration instead =)

the vast amount of english people with irish ancestors is quite staggering

For Ironside...lets say I bought the farm with my wife (who is Polish born but has lived in UK for 30 years) and I am now legally registered as joint owner. I am assured by lawyers that should she die the farm will be mine alone. Anyway isn,t it this year that a law comes into place in Poland allowing any member of an EU country to freely buy land? Isn,t this why the government are frantically trying to get farmers to buy government owned land before The Germans buy it all? I do know that the usual paper obstascles will have to be overcome, but at the first sign of obstruction a German or two will take it to the EU courts and then it will quickly become easy for them to buy. If I could afford or needed much more I would be buying frantically now.

Not necessarily,they may block it like France and Denmark did!
Oh no - that would be 2015 or 2016.

it wouldnt be in anyones interest to block it
how much money is sucked up by unproductive small farms
sometimes in very fertile places

Probably most of us, especially in Central Scotland and industrial Northern England.

Tell me something you know is right and I will prove you wrong. Tell me something you know is wrong and I will prove you wrong....Plato.

I am not English. I am Scottish. London is my capital city. I have a pure bloodline. I am Aryan. I have no blood from other cultures. Given the fact that my great grandparents existed in the early 20th century it is highly unlikely that I derived from elsewhere unless you start to say that we are all descendent from Africa.

Just as I bred pure bred German Shepherd dogs at one time I have no time for mongrels or half breeds. Watch my movie..makemewise.weebly

unlikely

very unlikely
not least because scots were made up of three large groups

or do i need to give you a history lesson about people such as saucy mary

you are pure dole scum

I'll forgive your racist outbursts if you explain adequately and wholly to my satisfaction that you are worthy of comment. Are you a half breed? Are your parents from differing cultures?

If you please, I beg that you give me a lecture on the three 'large groups' of which Scotland is made up of. I am always keen to learn new things.

Plenty of time now to google,satisfy and convince. Please start now .

They will leave even if UK stays in. The quality of life gets worse each year, and the crooked subcultures become the mainstream, becoming more privileged and thriving on gullible Brits. UK should have never joined EU because they are way behind Europe and they lower European standards.

i think the UK should quit the EU. it'd be good for both Poland and the UK if they forced the immigrants to go back home. before 2004 people in Poland were alive they were not dying of hunger, there were more Polish companies. then the EU built a few pavements and roads in exchange for ruining our industry, the western companies took over Polish ones and they keep telling us how grateful we should be for this hahaha. the unemployment is similar to this before we entered the EU even though millions of people left.

I am not suprised British people are fed up with immigrants(i 'd never want so many foreigners in my country). although in my opinion they should be more fed up with the immigrants from the 3rd world.

All polish should go home. They all dirty people who don't integrate in to our society. They have eaten our benefits system alive fort their children that live in polans. Laniva kurwa