I would like to stress that I have always found the of majority British people are sympathetic and welcoming to the Polish people, I would strongly urge all poles not to let hatred of a minority racist Britons spoil the hard work and strong bond between our two nations
Very well said.
A lot will happen over the next few months anyway.
Resurrecting this thread in view of the court case now underway in England regarding Brexit. Maybe it's time for a new Brexit thread? Interesting that just as this case commences Tusk has commented that Britain can change its mind and doesn't have to leave the EU. Of course, his comments are a bit meaningless as he doesn't back up what he says by reference to British law which is the deciding factor.
Just to sum it up quickly the crux of the challenge as I understand it, is that regardless of the Referendum result, the Prime Minister doesn't have the right to trigger the leave mechanism without the approval of parliament. The government will present its case on Monday. It seems they will argue amongst other things, that parliament doesn't have to vote on Brexit because the Prime Minister is constitutionally entitled to invoke the Royal Prerogative ie use the same absolute power that once rested in the monarch, in certain situations. Also I think they covered themselves legally with the European Union Referendum Act which was passed by parliament prior to the Referendum on the understanding that the outcome would be respected. Very interesting to see how this court case unfolds. Personally I think it's unlikely that the High Court will upset the apple cart.
It's basically down to power and wealth over the citizen/subject vote. The people voted, one result was larger than the other, leave won. The rich and powerful and some politicians now want to reverse it, that is what it is about.
If they succeed, then they will be no point in voting for anything ever again and I certainly wouldn't bother.
It will just show to the world and the British people that money and power supercede everything including democracy, something everyone suspects anyway.
it may be loads of things, but white christian's hating other white christians is probbably not racist! neither should this be seen as racist dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/553610/Poland-Sisters-Street-Attack-Alexsandra-Angelika-Mut-Rochdale-Manchester
We don't actually know anything about the religious affiliations of any of those concerned, nor do we know the skin colour of the victims. Don't jump to conclusions.
Good that the perpetrators were punished though; hate crime must never be ignored.
Quite shocked by Tusk's threatening the UK of a so-called hard Brexit if they don't accept free movement of people. The former Polish prime minister seems to forget all the money from Western Europe put into Eastern Europe via the E.U. to help it rise from under-developement. Not to mention the million Poles working in the U.K. where they send back some money to Poland to make it better for their families. Same goes, although in lesser proportions, for Romania and a few others. It's time to say Thank you instead of vetoing! I understand he now speaks as president of the E.U. council but anyway such hypocritical behaviours won't change the opinion about Eastern Europe. I guess Tusk is aware that, in the case of a hard Brexit, U.K. would just kick out all Poles within short notice, so the dog may bark, let it bark...
Nothing wrong the U.K. in my opinion. Why did the E.U. want to destroy national sovereignties and integrate all countries into something that would be similar to the "United States of Europe" in the end? And why did it have to seek membership of poor countries form the south and the east? As a taxpayer who gave away a lot of money, I'll go the Thatcher way: I want my money back !
E.U. shouldn't have been different from what it was in the fifties: a union meant to prevent that intra-european wars arise again, with a common industry and energy policy to make us stronger together as facing the other emerging great powers of the world. There was no need for anything more.
In the end, hard or soft Brexit will be decided by the 27 member states, not by Tusk or any one individual. As for expecting anyone to be grateful for help received from the UK over the years......I'm afraid people are just not that honourable as a rule.
U.K. would just kick out all Poles within short notice
Many of them are legally entitled to permanent residence under UK (not just EU) law. I think it would be a sad day for the UK if they began mass deportation of other nationalities, like some African dictatorship. That kind of extremism is not a feature of British politics. Whatever its faults, Britain will continue to uphold basic democracy that's for sure.
Why be shocked? They had an agreement uk will nullify it and face the consequences. Spoiled uk already had special treatment and didnt like it so just get out. Go to your bank tell them you no longer wish to pay your loan see if they say ' oh thats ok'. Can it be any dumber?
Secondly tusk or a martian makes no difference. It's the eu, they had a meeting or a 100 of them and gave him a script and here he is. Dumb and naive. My recent trip to the uk confirmed for me that people with no idea voted ( the 37% eligible) for brexit and believed the bs spun by 3rd rate politicians. The uk is not alone in the world its a global market so those that got suckered or were too pathetically lazy to get out and vote deserve whats coming. As for the rest....I feel sorry for them. Your post just shows how stupid the uk was. Now reap the whirlwind and b quiet.
.... it can have only positive effect on Poles. It is like that divine hand of God act on the behalf of Poles even at a times when they gave up from themselves. God, simple, love Poles and Poland.
Hopefully the Polish will leave the UK and go back to Poland. The EU is meant to make Poland richer - it was not an excuse for a load of uneducated Polish teenagers, twenty somethings and low skilled families to go over wholesale. not just Polish, but 37000 criminal acts by EU nationals last year in the UK
Then in 20 years, Poland will become a rich company attracting 3.5 million foreign nationals, without any prior notice!
i just think to myself,... alright when Russians completely lose their nerves and start to bombard and invade terrorists in England, same way as they bombard and invading terrorists in Syria, Poles always can go back to Poland. English then, i suppose, can go to USA. But to whom would then remain island? to Scots? to Irish? What island, after all? i don`t know.
Yes crow. When a human takes a bullet they always at that moment remember how some dude online used incorrect punctuation against them and as their life flashes before their eyes they think..' you bastards if only you used a capital p'.
Well crow the point is not to take the bullet but dish it out. If uk is at war and especially if the aggressor is russia poles will volunteer in record numbers. The only other people in greater number will be the brits. For all your theories you don't kniw much. Those romanians and most of the rest will just hide. Lets hope we never find out.
It might interest people to know that judgement in the Brexit case at the High Court is due next week. In the meantime, judgement in the separate case which has been going on in Northern Ireland will be delivered this morning at 10am. The Northern Ireland case will decide whether the Northern Ireland Assembly needs to take a vote on withdrawal from the EU, but the basis of this challenge is centred around breach of the terms of the Good Friday Agreement of 1998, so it doesn't necessarily create a legal precedent for outcome of the UK case.
Update - Brexit challenge has been rejected by the Belfast High Court. The court ruled that there was nothing in the Good Friday agreement that required a parliamentary vote on leaving the EU and that Royal Prerogative could be used to trigger Article 50........who wants to bet that as prerogative powers were specifically cited, then it's likely that the UK case will go the same way. I'm pretty sure that the two High Courts, NI and UK have been having informal discussions during deliberation and they will sing off the same hymn sheet.
Yep they don't understand either the law or the culture in Poland, Great picture by the way, she must have used allot of bleach to remove his spittle from her hand yuk.
It might interest people to know that judgement in the Brexit case at the High Court is due next week.
The problem with court cases and those unhappy with the result trying to get it overturned is that it just reinforces what many think about politicians ie. they are only interested in democracy when they get the answer that they want.
The referendum asked a straightforward 'Remain' / 'Leave' question and more chose one than the other. That's it! There should not be any need for court cases. More people voted in the referendum than in the 2016 general election, so people were more engaged than normal. If the result is somehow overturned, it will not be received well.
Freedom of movement impacted the poor Brits the most. That's why they voted to leave. The poor have spoken.
Judgement due tomorrow morning. In the meantime the Irish Taoiseach Enda Kenny let something slip today in unscripted remarks at a seminar in Dublin where he said that Theresa May would possibly trigger Brexit in December! He must have heard on the grapevine (ie from the lady herself) that the decision in the case will be in the government's favour and she'll take the advantage and get Brexit going before the disgruntled ones have a chance to go to the Supreme Court.
