Irish leaving Ireland again. Economy forcing them to immigrate

an interesting article about the Irish economy forcing Irish to immigrate again: so we can expect more Irish in Poland.

Well, that doesn't surprise me at all. The economy is still going down here and it's going down fast. The country soon will be bancrupt and then there is nothing left at all of the Celtic Tiger, except a fossil from a past some vaguely can remember. Ireland is nearly back where it always was before the CT: at the bottom of things. And it's their own fault: if they weren't so freaking greedy and tried to rip off with just about anything, this probably wouldn't have turned out so bad as it does. But they failed to invest in structural things as the only thing they were thinking about is making money and more money. Unlike other European countries they hadn't a clue that the economy can go down again as well and they weren't prepared for it at all for the simple reason they hadn't experienced any economic boom at all before the event of the CT. It's back to normal again for the Irish and soon all the foreign workers will leave too as they too cannot find any jobs anymore and the atmosphere is increasingly racist, especially amongst the young Irish. Funny, one would expect the older generation of Irish to be more racist than the young ones. After all, the young generation should stand for renewal of ideas and concepts. But fact is that you see the older ppl being friendly towards foreigners and the young ppl displaying blatant acts of plain racism towards ppl from abroad. It doesn't matter where those foreigners come from. At first I thought it was them being scared of the hausse of Polish ppl that flooded in, but now I noticed it's just against ANY foreigners. Maybe this will work against them abroad. Who knows.

I for one will leave this country after next year. That is, if I still have a job by then. I am saving now everything I can to take a tour of the US and perhaps Canada from summer 2011 until autumn 2012. A sabbatical so to say. And after that, I'm going back to NL. Been long enough in this country.

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M-G (yay!)

hot irish girls are welcome

do they exist? :P

Well, they do exist. But in Ireland girls are either very hot or very ugly. Doesn't seem a way in between here. And Irish girls are in general very bossy.

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M-G (yay!)

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enough said

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Bitter yet MG?

God you're painful to listen to. If you don't like Ireland leave now, you're happy enough to collect a cheque there though.

This constant rant you go on with against Ireland is pathetic. Accepting some of your points about young people thinking the CT would never end, racism being a problem etc. Is racism not a problem in Holland, the USA, Canada? I've spent a lot of time in the latter 2 and the US is the most racist place I have ever been. Everyone is judged on their ethnic background, not just colour. Ireland has a lot to learn and much to improve. You say we have wasted our boom, we are about to complete an orbital motorway from Dublin to the 6 largest cities in the country. 15 years ago we had no motorway in the country. We have invested more in our train infrastructure in the past decade than since the inception of the state.

I think all Irish people would be happy to chip in and send you home ASAP.

PS. You should hear what Poles call Dutch women.

Nope, just after over 6 years of working here I had enough of this country where everything which is normal in other countries is not up to par with those other countries.


What the fcuk are you talking about? I have worked as long as I have been here. In fact loads of ppl have a job thanks to me as I employ a lot of ppl. Among them a lot of Irish.


Ah, so you built a couple of roads? How does that sustain the economy? It doesn't. Infrastructure is more than building just a couple of roads. Infrastructure also means building sustainable industries, industries which can survive a crash like this. They didn't do such a thing. Yeah, building and call centre, that's what this country is built upon. Nothing else. And it's all arteficial. IBM, Xerox, part of MS, UPS, Oracle and a couple of more already have (partly) left the building.


I don't think they well, because if I leave, a lot of (Irish) ppl would lose their jobs too. I've done more for the Irish economy than the average Irish has. So shut the fcuk up with your homesick babbling.


I am sure they are more positive about Dutch women than about Irish women: never seen women be so dishonest about their intentions and playing silly games as the Irish girls.

Truth hurts, doesn't it, Irishlodz? Ireland is going down the drain and it's going there fast.

I've been loyal to this country for a long time. Comes a point where they still don't improve, one must say enough is enough; I've given this country a lot, let them figure out by themselves now. And so it will as per 2011.

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M-G (yay!)

hey, maybe you should start a new thread here : what to do to make life better in ireland ?

Bring it up to par with other W-European countries. For example: I always wondered how come that when I send a package of a certain weight to Turkey from NL, it costs me a tenner. However, when I send that same package to Ireland, which is much closer, that same package costs me nearly 50 Euros to sent. How come that I in the UK and continental Europe I can get an Inet connex of 10 to 20 megs down for around 10 to 20 Euros, while a connex of 4 or 5 megs down costs here 60 Euros? Small things like that could most definitively improve.

Edit: I have nothing against Ireland as such. Had a good time here, I just go on a sabbatical of at least a year in the US next year.

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M-G (yay!)

Really, all you have ever done is criticise Ireland and it's people on this forum. Last time you just went on a rant completely off topic when an Irish guy asked for advice on moving to Poland.

On developing infrastructure, you mean like the link below where Ireland has the fastest link between the US and Europe now. Small sensible steps to a sustainable economy that is Irish developed and job creating.

irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2010/0723/1224275281028.html

Many of the multi-nationals in Ireland including Google have announced new jobs this year. Yeah they'll go where's cheapest but that doesn't mean we shouldn't get what we can, while we can. I see Irish band U2 are now declared Dutch tax resident as we have been undercut us on such taxes, how sustainable is that for Holland?

Why do the little things cost more in ireland? I agree there are excessive prices, but Ireland will always be more expensive than most of Europe. It is a small island off the coast of Europe, check the same prices in Iceland.

Progress is expensive but we now have interlinks for gas and electric with the UK grids and prices for both are way down on what they were. The Irish national electric company is buying its northern equivalent to merge the grids to bring scale, cost savings and security. We were a second world economy until the 90's remember. How long is Holland a free Republic, well over 400 years. We are a nation of 4m who have yet to reach our centenary of freedom. We have never colonised anyone to create our wealth, don't have vast natural resources and aren't lucky enough to be strategically located. We're slowly making the best of what we have, with plenty to learn along the way. By the way Dublin 4 is not Ireland and it's people are not a general representation of everyone.



The above 2 statements aren't too consistent are they?


I'm home, thanks for asking so not home-sick, no need to get into childish comments.

Sorry for making you angry MG, not my intention. Just straightening you out on a few points you've made. It's easy to pick holes in any country, see it all the time here about Poland. I'm sure I could be done to Holland too.

They arent racist towards you, you are just an insufferable pr*ck.


Why would an unemployed Irish person, in receipt of 200+ euro a week in gubbermint cheese, relocate to Poland when there are currently circa 50,000 Polish unemployed resident in Ireland? If the unemployed Polish dont return, whats the chances of an Irish person, whom doesnt speak Polish nor have any connection with the place, move there?

Not the sharpest are you?


Am I right in thinking you work in a call center? Wow. What a contribution.

Party for Freedom. 3rd largest party in Holland with up to 17% support.
"the party believes that the Judeo-Christian and humanist traditions should be taken as the dominant culture in the Netherlands, and that immigrants should adapt accordingly. The party wants a halt to immigration from non-Western countries. Wilders has also put forward the idea that the Netherlands should open up its own "Guantanamo Bay" that would detain people which the intelligence service sees as a security threat, somewhat akin to the Israeli and Algerian administrative detention"

a few policies:
"# Ethnic registration, (went so well in Uganda)
# Active repatriation of criminals of foreign citizenship and Dutch nationals originating from the Netherlands Antilles,
# Restrictions on immigrant labour from new EU member states and Islamic countries,
# Removal of resources from anti-climate change programmes, development aid and immigration services
# Dutch language proficiency and a 10-year Dutch residency and work experience requirement for welfare assistance, page 15
# Constitutional protection of the dominance of the Judeo-Christian and humanistic culture of the Netherlands, page 35
# Repeal of anti-smoking legislation in bars, page 39
# Investment in more nuclear power plants and coal plants to reduce dependency on imported oil and because coal is cheaper"

You believe what you want to believe, heck do I care.


Oh, I'm not angry. I do see progress here and there. All I'm saying is that they should've started this earlier, much earlier. It should've been one of the first things they did when the economy pulled up. And about Google announcing new jobs? That's a bit of a farce as Google is not creating entirely new positions, they just re-opening positions they shut down about a year ago when things looked all gloom and doom for them.


They have 1.5 mln votes gathered in the last election towards app. 9 mln votes against them. They're a disgrace for NL and most ppl hate them. They are not representative for the Dutch population. Not by far. Can't stand a little critisism on your home country? Grow up. You have to hand it to the Irish, at least they are openly racist and don't seem to be embarrassed telling ppl from abroad to fcuk off back home straight to their face. Luckily it's not the majority as it's never the majority, but it's there. Just like in NL, DE, BE, and anywhere else in Europe.


Shyte, I thought you weren't among us anymore. Well, no such luck.


I build callcentres yes. And as such I employ about 250 ppl, of whom about 80-90 Irish. That's more contribution than you have ever done. And you're native Irish, in fact you're the disgrace of Ireland. But then again, you have a mental disorder, so it doesn't surprise me at all.

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M-G (yay!)

It was like reading something from the past very sad:(

A lot of what M-G says is true


That is pretty much how it was and is.
The Celtic Tiger was always unsustainable and the Gov rode the wave and did sweet FA to build for the future.


This is also true but when there was money it was wasted and trousered.

I cant help but remember what James Connolly wrote:


The country is reverting because we swallowed the worst ideas of the free market and tried to build an economy on quicksand.

it's not the first time i stumble upon the coal as an energy source issue here. it makes no sense to convert coal to oil, producing ethanol etc. energy input >>energy output. have u seen "the collapse" yet?

That's rich. You come on berating another nationalities and when it's pointed out that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones you get all stropy.


No problem, I've criticised it plenty. You are doing so in a completely unbalanced way on a forum with many people who have never been to the country and therefore are forming their opinions based partly on what you are saying. I'm balancing that. I detest the current Irish government and they have much to answer for waste and the debt burden we all now face. I campaigned against them in 2007 knowing that what was happening was unsustainable. (I never imagined it could get THIS bad). Unfortunately, as you've just pointed out, people vote in a nonsensical/selfish way sometimes.

Maybe you're frustrated in Ireland but you choose to be here. Is Holland so much better/different?

PS: for someone setting up a call centre you have a huge amount of free time!

The point is, when reading Irish history, as I have done, you could read that the only fascist movement there ever has been in Ireland, the BlueShirts, never got a following bigger than 50 to 100 ppl give or take. And that was in the 30's when Nazi- and Fascist movements were very popular throughout Europe and the US. So, one could conclude that the Irish don't like fascism, nazism or racism, based on this fact. That's why it surprises me so much that the current Irish youth (not all of them of course, but quite a part of them) are so blatantly racist.

And btw: liking a country doesn't exclude critisism on that country. Nowhere is Walhalla, you know.


For your information: it's Friday and it wasn't that busy today - last few days it was, but today it wasn't. And right now it's 20:00 hrs on a Friday night and generally I don't work at these Friday nights. I set up that call centre 6 years ago and wanted to move on within the company, setting up a new centre somewhere else, but they couldn't find a suitable person to lead it, so I stayed. I work on average 60 to 70 hrs per week, thank you.

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M-G (yay!)

Are you a builder, as thats a skill. Or do you make sure the phone connection is alright, the system is connected and that the drones answering the phones are doing their job properly, because a trained monkey can do that.


Do you own the company? If not, you are only a number.


Here we are talking about unemployment and emigration. You then state that only circa 33% of employees working at your job are Irish. Do you not see any correlation between the two?

Do us and yourself a favour- Go home.

Sure. You have no clue, do you? Unfortunately for you I am doing much more than that and unlike you I do have an education.


It's remarkable how you think you know about these things. A trained barman like you must possess unexpected qualities. No, I don't own the company, else my name would be Bill Gates, and last time I checked, it's not. But I head the centre as such and I am end-responsible for the hiring, payments and all the rest.


Because it's true.


How many Irish do you know that speak Swedish, Slovakian, Czech, German, French, Spanish, Portugese, Dutch, Norwegian, Danish, Finnish, Polish, Hungarian, Serbian, Croatian, Slovenian, Italian, Greek, Turkish, Hebrew and Arab? For the English roles we have mainly Irish with the odd Englishman as well.


Do yourself a favour and ask your mom to take the laptop away from you and put an X-box with you in the basement, at least you do sth useful then. You idiot.

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M-G (yay!)

this time thanks to EU, that is infestation of Anglo-Germanic interests, that are behind Irish sufferings, again.

just bossy against you cause you're an immigrant. Polish people are bossy towards me because I'm an immigrant. Its the natural way.

Because of what they think they have "lost". The generation just behind me never knew a bad day, never were hungry or really told no. The current government (it's there since 1997) have done anything to stay in power, including buying votes. 2/3rds of males jobs created in the boom were in construction and 2/3rds of female jobs were in the civil service, madness. The stated government policy was to get mothers out of the home and into work (contrary to our constitution). This meant children got less attention and their affection was bought with things.

It's a balance most Irish people are now questioning and realising that a better work/life balance is what we need. Most people realise that it is nothing to do with the foreigners that the economy collapsed. In my personal experience the lower the education level the stupider the stance on such matters. I've had a few gobshites make moronic points to me based on widespread unfounded rumours. I've seen the same thing in many countries though.

You are poor at portraying your point at times MG. Your first and last posts are completely at odds.

you keep telling yourself that sweet cheeks ;)
Heres five give me a rub.

she is form irish heritage ;)

Who the heck are you?


You just need to read very carefully :)


Actually, they are not. The former is based on observations I made during the last few years and the latter is in sequence to that as I wonder how come it's pssbl that I make those observations.

But to answer your post: I think you are right as to parents buying their kids' affection with stuff. Heard that a few times from Irish friends with children, basically "outsourcing them to kindergartens, nannies and when needed a new Nintendo was no prob at all. Now those same friends are complaining that the kids are unruly and don't listen to anybody.

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M-G (yay!)

We should have tried our best to attract our Irish diaspora home, instead of whining idiots like MG, welfare bludgers from asia and west africa and money hungry eastern europeans.

yahoo, I'll have some paddy friends to go drinkin with & watch GAA and Eircom League in Katowice, oh no wait, the Irish pub here closed coz some clown ran it into the ground.

Maybe another will come and open one??

huh? huh? tempting,
it's not like other Polish cities, if you're a foreigner here you're exotic, it's mad, i'm a paddy yet i'm exotic, theres a feckin juxtaposition for yez

They couldn't find any Irish person back then to do what I do. Says enough. But then again, you are not a good example of the Irish and I know that many Irish are ashamed and embarrassed by the fact that you are an Irish person. From Talifornia. Or was it Jobstown?

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M-G (yay!)