Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles.

I thought that everyone was guaranteed a place at university these days. Except of course those incredibly "thick ones" who get a place anyway and do "sports theory"

Yes,they take our pupils who are dumb enough not to pass the exams for entrance in university,they give them degrees after they pay generous and then the descendants come back and fill us with sh1t about their quality studies.

Now they got posts they do sh1t,I am happy they fail,in time they will be kicked or hanged.The more they fail,the better it is.

Then you thought wrong, there have been massive cuts in higher edcutation, yet still the country is flooded by foreigner (non EU) students, they are simply more attractive because of the size of the fees they pay in comparison to the "home" students, they are big business for the universities.


Nearly as bad as those who did phycology :D


They pay the same as a British person, so they are not paying generously, the fees are not too bad, Engineering degree is only about £2,000 a year, hardly big bucks for the kind of career you can achieve after studies. Also if Greeks are so smart, why is you country such a shithole?


Since this thread is about Britain, maybe he took it as red that you would think he meant Britain, where a company does have to keep "a" job open for you, it doesnt not have to specifically give you the job you left, if things within the company have changed.

Well, I would like him to make clear...if he can't be bothered, I will take a word of his spokesman regarding his intentions:)

A job, exactly. That could be sth scabby and unfitting!

He tends to elaborate on the American threads and not on British-Polish ones.

No, its has to be comparable, they couldnt give you a job as a cleaner if you were the PA to the MD, they also have to offer flexible working conditions when returning to work.


I think I was closer to what he meant than Sheep...

Well, it doesn't work that way in Poland and that's what I was discussing.

I paid perhaps too much attention to your words and I dont wish to repeat myself however……

You mentioned Evolution and attempted to use it as a reason to oppose migration then softened your stance suggesting that migration could be on an ad hoc basis ie “phone the agency”. This to me demonstrated your misunderstanding of both Evolution and economic policy. Migration (internal and external) doesn’t work that way, people will not permanently move for temporary jobs unless they are young, stupid or have a particular skill they can sell overseas. Then there are the people of independent means. If you wish to discuss evolution start another thread.

More British people move overseas than Eastern Europeans arrive the rest come from the commonwealth. The British birth rate is under 2.1 children per woman. Without migration the population of your country is falling, how do you generate enough to support the ageing population and everything else? You suggested some solutions and as I said, they (if effective) have a massive time lag plus need massive investment before they begin to bare fruit, in the meantime what do you propose should happen?

A small question…..Do you oppose migration in both directions?

The Ex Communists in the English labour party (as you said) are driving the business model of economic growth where the maximisation of profit means the reduction of labour costs and this somehow is supposed to benefit society, It was George H Bush who described this as Voodoo economics and I agree with him. Are you suggesting state planning, protectionism or something else?

Its impossible to know what you think except you don’t like immigration and being called a Racist. I already said that opposing migration is not racist, I didnt like having to migrate and would take exception to someone calling me a Racist but I believe that I could defend my stance without whining.

The problems around migration need to be addressed beyond send them all home. The salami slicing of migrants into good migrants and bad migrants is racist and patronising in the extreme.

People concerned about their lives are obviously not concerned about migration or they would have been protesting in good times as well as bad. Its not enough to say they are impotent quite apart from that being patronising it’s the slippery slope to bonkers theories revolving around the New World Order and other such crap.

The economic muck that this right wing developed world, spoiled child syndrome, has delivered has done more harm than good. Then the business community, who broke the post war consensus, demanded to be subsidised and were, showing themselves to be what they truly are, snake oil salesmen.

Not quite - the fees paid are actually the same, because...I can't remeber the name of the quango in question that pays it, but EU students are subsidised by the difference between the EU fee and the non-EU fee - so it works out the same.

The difference is that the (in particular) Asian market is massive - unlike the UK student market which is saturated.

But from a wishy-washy liberal perspective, the huge problem with non-EU students is that Asian ones in particular tend to form ghetto communities within universities - they simply don't integrate.

I said that the "home" students which includes EU members, so I think it was "quite right"


They only came because it was a way to get a passport..things have changed, their years as students no longer count towards time in the country..Many are just economic migrants who dont even study..get family to club to, to show they have money they dont actually have...if you looked at the link I provided regarding the new rules which come in to affect next year, this will put many of them off coming here, those that who are genuine will come, those who are not...wont (or simply wont be able to!)

Did it ever count? Most EU countries definitely didn't count studying as time spent in the country.


No it wasn't, because you said that there's more money involved, which just isn't true. It's the same amount to the university, except possibly slightly better for cashflow as the full fees have to be paid in September for non-EU students, as opposed to them being paid in December for EU students.


Not arguing there - the new rules should drastically discourage people, and I don't think that's a bad thing. It's nonsense that they only had to have x amount in their account at one point - it would've made far more sense to demand that for visa renewals, they had to clearly show the money being used - anyone showing an account with 10k in and then 10k out straight away is clearly working.

If you ask me, non-EU students should be prohibited from working in paid employment full stop. I'd even close the door further and deny families coming unless the student is of exceptional value to the UK and should be encouraged to stay.

Yes, the rules were changed a couple of years ago, only some of them where not aware of it, I work with a guy (a grad Engineer) who is from Maritious, he's pretty peeved he'll have to wait several years for his British passport, he doesnt necessarily want to stay here, but it means he'll be able to move freely within Europe when he does get it...sick!



Show me where I was wrong, I said that non EU students were more attractive!

They (the government) brag about how much non EU students bring in, in revenue to the country and that includes the tuition fees which are 3 times the amount (in some cases) to what a home student pays - look.... I have 3 people in my family (two brothers and a sister) who lecture, I think I know what Im on about!


This is what they are in the process of doing, I personally think they should have to go home after they have finished and apply through the points based system from their own country, if there are jobs suitable then yes, if not, then no, there are less and less grad places each year because of the open market, young Brits are not getting a fair crack at the whip.

As for bringing families with them, I dont think they should be able to...if family members cant work, they aren't paying no tax, same as the student, if they bring kids with them, who is footing the bill for their education?

Things are changing slowly, simply because of the size of the population and the unrest about immigration, they should suspend all applications from several of the African countries too, they're all working far more hours than they are permitted, like you said, they shouldnt be able to work at all.

Greek people are not smart and the few smart ones are marginalized.We really have no desire to help the dumbheads.I hope they will sink in the crisis they created.

No advice here.You make the sh1t you eat it.

You ARE Greek, southern! ;)

It is my fault when they have sh1t in head?Tonight I was talking about the crisis to some lazy ass sitters of public sector and they told me what's the big deal there was always debt since we were small children.They don't understand.

And when you talk about real issues,they change the subject or threaten you.Take now the euro d1ck in your ass(this is for my compatriots) and learn what happens when you manipulate statistics.

However the Germans are also responsible for this because they knew what was happening and kept wages in Germany artificially low despite the positive budget balance.

Yes...we work to much, to long, for to low wages, we manufacture and export to much, have this damned trade surplus (meaning we sell more than we buy), we don't do credit cards so much....in short we suck, mea culpa! :(

What a nonsense. You know how strong the unions in Germany are?

How you manage to stay away from Russian girls I cannot understand.And how the German accepts so low wages given the positive budget.
I read that real wages fell 60% in Germany from the early nineties.

Well...Something big happened during the early nineties, remember? Germany had to shoulder the re-unification, the enormous task to bring a whole country up to standard...alone...without any help from our european friends...of course slacking in our duties to the EU on the other hand was not allowed.

Somehow we achieved it nonetheless...if the credit-crisis hadn't struck we would had achieved last year for the first time since the re-unification a budget without debt...we can forget about this now though!

Yes,but living standards 60% down?Crazy.Your trade unions must be iron willed.

Huh?

You read some funny things... :)

einblick.dgb.de/grafiken/2005/12/grafik02/

Between 1995 and 2004, income fell by 0.9%. The source listed above is the DGB (Deutscher Gewerkschaftsbund), by the way!

You lost 60% of wages.Anyway it is difficult to understand German economics.

Especially as the task was to bring East Germany UP to West Germany standards not the other way around! :):):)

And no, our Unions have barely much influence anymore....if there are strikes it's mostly against factory closures or for Tariffs and such.
In Germany common sense still prevails...where should the money come from they demand?


For a Greek? ;)

IG Metall and VERDI have no influence anymore? When did that happen?


You really don't know what you're talking about here, Southern.

Re-unification and common sense...
They still have influence of course but they have no longer the power to blackmail or to take the gov into a lockdown.
Most people knew that we had to shorten the belt so to speak!

I remember the last big demo in Berlin last year where people demanded more money and they had not much support from the people on the street.

Hm, only in East Germany or also in West Germany? I had to deal with VERDI once in Hessia in the late 90's, and they were a major, influencial pain in the a*s. That's why I ask. That they've lost some influence over time, as you say, makes sense though.

Ever heard of Agenda 2010 by Schröder? The home party of the laborers and trade unions, the SPD determined a first class capitalist plan which put the SPD in many things right of the CDU.

Since then many things changed...the boundaries blurred. Today some even say the CDU is more social than the SPD who on the other hand now tries a turn around and fights the Linke!

;)

The good old "trade unions against the gov" just doesn't work in Germany anymore..

No, I didn't live in Germany at that time. Let me read up on it.


Whow, then a lot of things have changed in Germany.

A starter:
dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,988374,00.html