Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles.

The Common Agricultural Policy and Common Fisheries Policy makes me sick - it's the two aspects of EU policy that I'm strongly, firmly against. It's also the reason that I suspect that an independent Scotland may very well have refused to take EU membership.

I'm wondering if you have read post 206 and would say that to that person's face ?

Of course. Why not?

I'm sorry, but I have little to no sympathy for people who use being simple as an excuse - plenty of thick kurwa boys managed to get by in the UK just fine. The fact that they haven't even considered relocating means that I have no sympathy - plenty of people were forced to emigrate from Scotland across the ocean to find a new life - so sympathy is somewhat lacking there.

How many people who are complaining now about immigrants voted Labour in 1997 and 2001, I wonder?

It's also worth noting that the UK could have reinstated work permits for Polish workers when the crisis hit - there was absolutely nothing stopping them from doing so.

Convex, that's not the point. Poles and Lithuanians snap up those jobs very quickly as they are not as fussy as some Brits. That's a plus for whatnext because part of the competition is eliminated. Still, even before the Poles and Baltic folk arrived, there were too many people chasing too few jobs in key sectors.

Delph has a point but it goes a little deeper than that. You have to put yourself in the shop window and use contacts. You can have a sterling CV but if you can't put it in the right place then you haven't much hope. Also, Britain has a weird attitude to being over and under qualified. I was definitely overqualified for some of the posts I went for and that counted against me.

You mentioned education and training programs, so I took that to be your point there.

I noticed Poles and Lithuanians aren't snatching up IT jobs... Why make a fuss about unskilled jobs? If the factories can't have cheap labor so that they can make their cheap crap that their customers demand, the factories will just head to where the labor is (Hi Cadburys!). Why not use some of that mighty education system to teach kids the skills they need for the future, not the past. Why not stop paying people to breed?

I think the problem in the UK education system is that there's no definitive agreement on the best way to proceed. It certainly wasn't helped by the slashing cuts in Further Education made a few years back - would you believe that the UK barely funds ESL education?


Post 206 is an excellent example - 5 children, all of which will attract benefits and tax credits.

She doesn't sound simple and neither does her husband.


You don't know she hasn't, but with children at school and so on, it's not as simple as upping sticks and moving is it ?


I'll admit to voting Labour in 1997, 2001 and even in 2005. As for "complaining" about immigrants as you put it, I'm complaining about mass immigration rather than immigration. There is a difference.

Cadbury's is being bought over by Kraft, convex.

I agree with the rest of what you said. Poland is investing in IT and has many able bodies. Research the level of funding they receive from the EU, it might surprise you.

Why make a fuss? Simply for the reasons whatnext said. Britain's working class didn't disappear overnight, you know!? They need to put food on the table and raise their kids just like everyone else, funnily enough. What's more, they will make it easier to stick to the minimum wage, rather than large-scale undercutting to profit some cnuts.

The British government is clearly involved in the breaking of the British as a people. All the other things (racism, etc.)are simply a means to an end. Results will tell you what the motive is. I've told you what the results are. It could be as simple as softening up the people to finally be rolled into the EU, or something more nefarious. I don't know. What I can tell you is this, The government has long stopped serving the indigenous people and makes no attempt to protect its sovereignty. They have a long range goal. What do you think it is?

Whatnext
You are a dear, intelligent person with the common sense that is rare among people today. Keep seeing the world as it is and ignore those who seek to present it to you as they wish you to see it. You are a true patriot for your nation. Don't be too harsh on the Poles, They are also tools in the hand of the powerful. Their day will come in their homeland aswell.

"below average education" = simple.


Well, you have to question the wisdom of having so many children - and virtually assuring that they would need some degree of benefits in order to survive. I think it's irresponsible as hell for someone to have so many children if they aren't in stable employment.

Also, you have to move to where the employment is, it's that simple.


Well - Labour were the ones who decided not to impose many restrictions upon A8 nationals. The UK could legally impose work permits upon them until the 1st May 2011 - and the fact they didn't was a clear cut sign that Labour wanted immigration and plenty of it.

Incidentally, in Scotland, we welcomed immigrants with open arms. The English didn't - and this is yet another reason why the countries should be seperate. Scotland needs new workers - England doesn't.

If you read it he was in stable work and has worked all his life. Children are not toys that you can turn off and put away and get out another day when the weathers nice.


What if someone has a mortgage do they just up sticks and walk away?


Yeah sure you did.

From what I'm seeing - he's been in agency work for 15 years. That's not stable employment at all - anyone with an ounce of common sense knows fine well that agency work is anything but stable and reliable, as you're prone to being replaced at any time.

And exactly - children aren't like toys, so you shouldn't be having more than you can be reasonably able to provide for. It seems lunacy to have 5 children if you don't know if you'll have a job tomorrow!


Sure, isn't that difficult to do. Plenty of people have to do it if they're relocated.


Before 2004, the fish industry (to name one) was one which had masses of vacancies as simply no-one wanted to do the horrible work that is fish processing.

That's the same in any job. Whos job is rock solid safe these days.


Selling a house in the present climate is not easy.


And that's welcoming.

Another factor has to be accessibility. As delph said, Scotland welcomes immigrants with open arms but look how much easier it is to get to England than to Scotland. There isn't even a direct flight from Scotland's third largest city, Aberdeen. Glasgow scrapped a major Wizzair flight. Many more see London as the easier option.

A different factor would be matching skillsets to industries. Scotland has a lot of old industries and I'm unsure as to how compatible a Polish education and training are.

Hmm...essential State service jobs are rock solid - teaching, Fire, Police, Armed Forces. Apart from that though, it's a good question - depends a lot on the location really.


Not arguing there - I've seen quite a few comments online from people who have been relocated and have had no choice but to simply rent a cheap room somewhere during the week.


This, unfortunately, is our useless council's fault, combined with the whining moaners in Northfield. Ryanair publicly stated a while ago that they wouldn't consider Aberdeen for any more flights as long as the runway isn't extended - without being horribly technical, the longer the runway, the more they can carry into the sky - Aberdeen's just isn't long enough. Good enough to fly to places like Stornoway though... :/

Mind you, look at how rubbish Dundee Airport is!

It's hard to believe that as anything but a fob-off, delph. At its peak, there were 25,000 Poles in Aberdeenshire. My wife is a travel agent and I was flicking through one of her work brochures. I was amazed at how many destinations you can reach from Okięcie airport, Warsaw. How can it be that they can't go to such a popular spot? Length of runway? LOL. What a bunch of incompetent clowns run the toon cooncil (sic). Dundee airport? I didn't even know it had one, LOL.

It depends on the industry.


Did you buy a house at inflated prices and are trying to dump it now? Good luck.


That and a 737 needs about 2000 more feet of runway to take off at max weight than what Aberdeen has. Ryanair never flys at MTOW, actually the opposite... but the margin of error is too tight.

Not a chance, I wouldn't buy anything in the current climate! There are some very interesting houses for sale 40-50km from Poznan, but nothing that screams "buy me now".


737 flights to Tenerife must really be pushing it then - never, ever understood how the runway at Aberdeen was long enough to accomodate them.

Incidentally, do you know if Ryanair refuels after each sector?

A reminder that you are going off-topic

Tenerife has 10k ft runways at both the airports on the island. You put a 737 in the air with 5000ft of runway.


Ryanair fuels up each time they put the wheels on the ground, they usually fly with the minimum legal requirement. It keeps their planes light and cheap :)


It's easy to get sidetracked when planes come up.

Anyway, back on track.

I heard about this here in the States....I also heard the Irish are pretty pissed too.

Now you're just being nasty for the sake of it.

Just because they may not have been to university or had the same education or chances in life you might have had does not mean people like you can write them off as "simple".


Without knowing more about their situation, it would be unfair to comment, but generally speaking it does not make much sense to have such a big family when money is tight and work not secure.

It's not as simple as moving where the work is. It might be for you, but it isn't for everyone.

There are certain places where Poles and Baltic fowk fare better. I've seen Poles and Estonians in restaurants in Inverness, working as waitresses. There are many old fogies there so it's nice to see some young, pretty faces. They are pretty helpful and seem happier. We are influenced by those around us and the same waitress in some places here wouldn't be so happy.

The problem, delph, is that you have to leave your workpost on maternal leave. I've known of many cases where the job simply can't wait and they cannot resume their post thereafter. Then you're placed somewhere down the pecking order again. It is irresponsible to have many kids, I agree, but it's a reality for the state to address. Deterrents can always be applied but Britain has gone to the dogs as a benefit culture. In fact, so much so that my friend, who used to be a socialist, has now spoken out against it. He deplores the extent to which freebies are given out. Incentives rather than deterrents.

`what do you mean?

Reading between the lines, he meant that many Poles now resident in the UK will be able to come back to take up gainful employment. Tusk toyed with a grand scheme to lure many back but, like his streamlining of bureaucracy effort, it didn't get off the ground. Timotei simply meant that that day will come.

well, maybe you are right but I'm not sure what Tymoteusz meant .... its looks to me a little ominous

Maybe he meant that one day your country will be over-run with foreigners and it might peeve you a little bit when agencies are set up in Ukraine (or places where labour costs are lower) to directly employ Urkrainians (other others) rather than Poles even being given the chance...or your business will be exported to places where labour is cheaper...who knows..its swings and roundabouts...Only time will tell...

I don't like second-guessing people, Ironside, but I think his intentions were good. He just wanted to say that the same will happen given incentives to return.

I was referring to your attempt to slate me, as i noted you were the one that didn't take note of the words i used so you your question for me to form an argument is unnecessary because of your lack of attention.


I've seen many british people in the same position, the reality is there isn't and hasn't been enough work for people graduating from university.


Because the majority of the workforce does such work.


Well said!


The company has to keep your job open, its required by law. As to delph complaining about people having large families the truth is that the UK birth rate has been declining and its only just starting to bounce back .

statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?ID=951

heres proof of it and iam sure it would be much lower if it wasn't for the high birth rates amongst certain parts of the immigrant population.

You'll see less next year because there are less places, you'll have more 18 year olds looking for work simply because they cant get places at British universities, break their backs and study hard for 12 years only to be told...sorry not enough places!

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8472071.stm

The rise in the number of overseas students accepted was 10.1%, up from 51,603 to 56,791.

Time to limit foreign students too me thinks why should we educated foreigners and leave our own out in the cold let them study in their own countries!

Step in the right direction, but not enough!

The company has to keep your job open? Prove it, please. I was talking about Poland so I'd gladly read any Regulation, Directive (most likely) or Decision you put my way. It just doesn't stand to reason as the work needs to be done. Yes, temporary contracts exist but many companies replace people at the drop of a hat.