Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles.

And suddenly, as many of the middle class suburban people lost their highly paid jobs in the service sector, rose a boom in demand for jobs that they previously wouldn't do. All those stay at home mothers for instance suddenly had to try and find employment - whereas they wouldn't previously have entertained the idea of working in Tesco or likewise. This is why I say the issue will go away - once the service industry picks up, people will be forgetting about wanting to work in Tesco, leaving the jobs for the working classes.

Of course, if people really want jobs, an extra 10p on income tax should see plenty of job creation...

These look like good ideas but with a time lag.

I'm still waiting for jarnowa to suggest an alternative as he in particular is concerned by migration.

asking for links to a public secret makes clear that you don't understand what a public secret is: something that's known to everyone but evidence is hidden away by those who don't like this sensitive information.

And how have you become privy to this "secret" information?

I had no idea you have access to such sensitive information, perhaps I should just take your word for everything you say?
or you're full of BS and can't back up what you are saying.

I am going to go with Occam's razor on this one.

I don't think the issue is with productivity. Whatever manufacturing is left within the Western countries has to be actually slowed down as the number of buyers dwindle. The problem is too much work force as compared to available jobs. Immigration won't solve that.


Multiculturalism is a mirage. It doesn't work and it either destroys cultures, or continues to keep them separate but within smaller geographic areas.


Education was the promise in 1980-90's. Well, right now it is obvious that this was another mirage. Every kind of job can be exported, and eventually will be exported.

And then there is this stimulation.
Of what? There are no industries in the West anymore. Nothing is being manufactured anymore. Where will the money come from to pay for the stimuli, education etc.

Sorry, but the picture is not looking good at all and migration won't help. If anything, it will cause mass riots and blood shed as patience is running out on both side, the hosts and immigrants, and as neither is in a position to have any real hope.

you're really making a fool of yourself. you really should learn what a public secret is.

those who are more often criminal, unemployed living on welfare, having more children than average and getting child benefit, living in houses with cheap rent, language courses, free lawyers and dozens of other freebies for 3rd world immigrants cost society obviously a lot more than they give back by paying tax.

you deny this just because official sources refuse to research or publish things that might give fuel to nationalist parties?

So apart from your paranoia that governments are plotting against you, you have no back up.


Governments do publish statistics each year, you just don't read them but they are freely available on the web.

Equating productivity with wealth creation was a bit clumsy.

I said earlier that modes of production had changed a British MP, Dennis Skinner, put it in a nutshell when he said that monetarist policy would lead to us all selling hamburgers and insurance to each other. That was the path that was taken and we still have the demographic problem. Raising the retirement age wont solve it nor will job creation without some migration.

I'm not a big proponent of multiculturalism I'm not against it either. Multiculturalism is a way to deal with the inevitable migration its far from perfect but the alternative is protectionism and we have gone too far down the path of diversification to reverse it.

I cant see how we can increase the wealth creation ability of the individual especially, as you have said, the never ending drive to cut costs leads to jobs going elsewhere.


Privatise profit Nationalise debt not a good way to run an economy

i already explained that the negative balance of 3rd world immigration is obvious.

sceptism is good, but questioning the obvious if it's not backupped by offical data is ridiculous.

You blame your whole life on external factors particularly Black people, Muslims and people you call ''third worlders''.


Obvious to you but to convince others that everyone outside of the E.U. are 'evil', you might want at least a consensus.
Your laziness at not getting national statistics and instead blaming governments of withholding information that is ''obvious'' to you is why I should never talk to you.

Do not expect any further response from me.

i never tried to convice people that all 3rd world immigrants are evil and i'm sure you know that very well.


i bet you can't give me the name of any European country that has published all direct and indirect cost of 3rd world immigration.

400 Jobs lost to Polish workers........or.........400 jobs lost to Illinois company ?


Cadburys
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8507066.stm

I am not going to do your work for you.

You just make unfounded claims, tell us they are obvious and that Govetrnments are hidding secret information.

You are the one that needs to prove your claims.

i made a statement that the huge cost of 3rd world immigration is a public secret and that there are no official publishings about this.

if you claim that there's official publishings, it's up to you to come up with evidence.

i'm not even asking you to do any work, i'm not asking you for links, just some names of countries that have published information about this.

if you can't, then you fail, as usual. :)

So you have no other back up.

You failed in even getting any website that agrees that Governments are keeping secret information and that only you know about it. There must be some conspiracy websites that agree with you?


Every time I talk to you it ends this way.
I am not going to engage your stupidity any more.

it's really easier to give me a few names of countries than writing a lot of crap.
so it's obvious you were bluffing and don't know any such country.

All countries in the E.U. make monthly and annual statistics on everything that effect their respective countries but since this is a thread about Britain I will post this one

The economic impact of immigrants[/url] and Office for national statistics.
publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldselect/ldeconaf/82/82.pdf

Now that I have done your homework for you perhaps you will even read it but I won't hold my breath.

Shows how little you know, we are struggling to produce to meet demand, hence the reason we are importing so much more and before you throw in that its because our farmers are lazy blah blah blah thats rubbish:

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1024833/Nine-meals-anarchy--Britain-facing-real-food-crisis.html

business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article3423734.ece


Flats are a totally acceptable way of life and always have been, families have been living in high rise for decades, city living is a relatively new thing, but its not only singles and now its couples that are chosing to live this way...By-to-let just ruined communties and has dragged what where nice areas down...any old scum can get the DHS to pay for a nice house in a middle class area (it took my parents months to complaining to get rid of the ***** and her disgusting brood who lived next door to them!).


LOL...I already pay more than Im happy with and yet you want to bleed me dry?


No it wont, we were an industrial nation, then we became a nation of service providers, now we have nothing...You explain to me how if you continue to export jobs it will cease? Whilst we have more and more immigrants flocking here, we are losing jobs daily.

regarding the above link, they closed all the stores so the figures were much higher!

I could go on Delph but I wont because you clearly have no clue as to the situation in the UK and how bad things really are...and in my opinion things are set to get even worse...had a chat with a friend who works for a company that do concrete moulding, even though they have just won contracts for new prisons to be built they are still putting lists together for those "at risk"...

Immigration at times is necessary, but at the moment its not, we dont even have enough places at our universities:

Come on sean i took you for a better person than one of those that just say "but its on the internet so it must be true" type of person. Dont get me wrong its well know that the BNP has its roots in a racist group that were created after the government decided that it would be a good idea to allow large numbers of carribean and asia people to settle in the country without the consent of the population. A little bit of history repeated maybe?


OK sean i will be fair and put a finer point on it so as to not confuse you, iam referring to successful asylum applicants which in reality there should be none in the UK as international law states you should claim asylum in the first country you come to and not the 5th or 6th.


Well if you look at the country of origin then it kind of gives it away.
Even so the percentage of british people (so they could be of other race) that reside in a council house in my city is about 30%.

Most likely because they are not so good at deceiving the local council when it comes to obtaining housing. If you like i could give you examples as i happen to work with people who are more than happy to tell me how they do it.


A good example of people are treated when they are not welcome but the government sees it fit to invite them. Come on sean iam guessing your british and iam no oak tree but i still no the history of race riots in the UK.


Yes it is bizarre that british people are put first but the facts speak for themselves.


Wow jonni how do you fit it all in having worked for lloyd of london and running your own business, i commend you on even finding time to post on these forums.


Well i would say you are wrong there for one reason, if they were openly racist they would have been prosecuted and shut down. Even so the right of a man in his own country to dislike someone from another country is entirely his and legal whether you, i or the queen of england likes it or not. There is no such thing as thought police.


The violence has materialised but each time it does the governments apply marshal law and complain to the natives that they are the ones that have to change, french riots a few years ago spring to mind. Even so the largest reason why people are so passive on the subject is because there are very few that have the power or influence that live in these areas so nothing changes.


Well old cameron said once that UKIP are closet racists but whether they are or not shouldn't bother any potential voters because the world "racist" is very loose and widely applied these days, sticks and stones and all that.

I would say racism isn't inhumane just a not so nice part of human nature as humans have evolved to reject other cultures and races and have developed into separate communities and nations that rejected mixing, if it wasn't true then why do we have black and white people???.


Not at all, if some one has come to work and they are no longer a use then the host country should not have to provide for them, india didn't think much of cancelling a huge amount of work visas and making all the holders reapply. O sh1t thats not racist though is it because they are coloured.


And the most destructive, history has shown that (roman empire being a good example).
But if the only thing that matters to you is how much money you have then all i can say is you are missing out on a hell of alot of life.


Thats very true, there was enough work but there is a difference between having foreign workers and foreign workers that have a right to permanent residency.


Increase efficiency through the use of technology, increase the level of high tech funding and university funding for the appropriate training and cancel the 2 illegal wars that we are fighting. JD! :D


The government always fiddles the figures and its been spread across the news multiple times for all to see, if you want information at least go independent and dont rely on the state.

Regarding immigration something like migrationwatchuk.org would be a good place to start especially for all you UKIPer's out there ;-)

I am not sure what you are trying to say.
The BNP are a known racist organisation, you and I are in agreement and there is lots of back up for that from official sources.




My question was about asylum seekers and foreigners not about foreigners and British people or British to English as I was asking about your original quote.


Your comment made me think of the race riots but I was not sure that is what you were eluding to.

I am not British at all, I am Irish, I have heard stories of those riots and "Paddy bashing" in it's physical form was also an activity back then.


Stopping the wars is a good start, in my honest opinion.
I think specialisations in medicine and technology are also what E.U. countries should be gearing towards.

Lloyds of London? Don't remember that. I run a business though.


Many of their activists have been prosecuted.

Past and present activists, John Tyndall, Colin Jordan, Nick Griffin, Lady Birdwood, Mark Collett, Tony Lecomber. They've all had their collar felt, usually for inciting hatred. A fair few more for violence. A true 'party of convictions'. And they may well be "shut down".

Here is a handy list of some BNP activists crimes for voters wondering who might be representing them if they tick the wrong box.


Google her - a BNP parliamentary candidate and longstanding nutter. Used to stand on street corners in London giving pamphlets out. As nutty and agressive as the rest of them, but sounded posh due to an ex-husband having a title.

You guys threw a little old lady in jail just because she was with the BNP?

No. For most of her 'career' she wasn't, and when she was convicted as a "little old lady" they suspended her sentence due to old age and general nuttiness. She only got the sentence because she was a frequent flyer at the courthouse for handing out pamphlets to strangers that were written to upset.

You dont' feel the BNP has ANY redeeming qualities at all?

None whatsoever. At least their forerunners (and inspiration) invented the VW.

What do you think would happen if they gained power? In the short term and long term?

They won't get even within a sniff of power, but if by some collective slip of the pen on illions of ballot papers, there'd probably be riots and mass civil disobedience. Fascism can only work by force, and they don't have that.

There'd also be a flood of capital out of the country and economic instability.

Their policies on Ireland (bringing it back into the UK) would gain them a few enemies too.

you know what causes hatred?

giving a lot of freebies to immigrants from tax money earned by native Brits.

it's good the BNP is gaining popularity in UK, because this has to stop and a lot of immigrants need to kicked out of the country.

Well, there is that but Brits need to wake up to a newer reality. They've always had a been in their bonnets about taxes and benefits but think about war expenses. It costs the US $2.6 billion a month and the UK figure is likely high too. The crisis also creamed the middle class and the British motto needs to be The Who's song, 'We're Not Gonna Take It'. Foreigners are just exercising their rights, it is the British government that needs to look inward(s). For now, printing virtual money will have to do ;0 ;)

Just add Hitler and you have the perfect internet post.