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Celebrating the culture which you respect takes many forms, not necessarily dancing in the streets on national holidays.


What 'saints' (plural) are you referring to, apart from George?

Patrick,David and Andrew..........are you really Irish?

But you were talking about England. You said England was the only country that didn't celebrate its culture.

I did and we don't really.
It's almost as if we are ashamed to do so,or just not interested.
To be fair,in many ways especially the Scottish and Irish cultures seem to have more to celebrate.
Think tradional Irish or Scottish music........then think traditional English music.......only Greensleeves comes to mind.......
Would The English be interested in making St.Georges Day a public holiday?I doubt it.
And would they have a party to celebrate?I doubt that too.

I'm surprised at you, the music buff that you are, if that's all you can think of.

I don't think the English feel the need to celebrate their Englishness with a public holiday. Apparently celebrating St George's Day was a folk custom that was already on the wane in the 18th century. England is a very 'old' society, steeped in centuries of history, that hasn't been invaded, interfered with etc and therefore has a degree of maturity and self-assurance that doesn't need something as simplistic as a St George's Day celebration. 'Englishness' is celebrated all over England every day by communities doing quintessentially 'English' things.

@Atch

I like your take on that and you are probably right.

As for the music,besides English Classical music,which I am not really up on I really can't think of English Folk songs.
But I can think of tons of Irish ones......... :-)

Folk music is the music of the people, it doesn't survive if it's not sung by them - now think of the rich musical tradition of England that expresses itself in varied ways: church music (many hymns are centuries old), nursery rhymes, also very old and traditionally sung to children and then by them, and most importantly pop music, which is the modern folk music of England and which has been exported all over the world. Of course there's also modern 'folk' music which draws on the old styles of a couple of centuries ago or modern folk like Ewan McColl 'Dirty Old Town' comes to mind.

Btw Greensleeves survives as the Christmas carol "What Child Is This?" as it's not really a song but an old English 'air' sung with a variety of different words at different times in English history.

youtube.com/watch?v=nwyvWQxoVhk

You are right of course.
My mission for the weekend,to seek out some traditional English Folk Music!

Don't forget the great British institution of the Music Hall, which is also Folk music in its truest sense.

Here you go son, sadly soon to be banned

youtube.com/watch?v=9DtUQ_vot1A

Oh yes, and another form of 'folk' music is the Brass Band tradition such as the colliery bands of the north of England.

And not for the first time in English history, but at least it's only the black faces. Cromwell banned dancing entirely, including Morris dancing - and Christmas of course. Did you know that before Cromwell, mince pies were made in the form of a little pastry manger with a pastry Baby Jesus nestling in the mincemeat :)) but after the Restoration, the tradition never really caught on again.

No, all the above is new to me thanks, interesting.

Atch has a wealth of knowledge and wisdom,all new to me too!

It's been discussed, and is at a time of year that doesn't need a holiday. Any new one is more likely to be in the autumn.


This exists, as does flying St. George's flag.


Don't forget the clog dancers in Bacup. If you've never seen it, have a look. It's amazing!

I've spent an awful lot of time in England and can tell you that there are an increasing number of areas in which people have no respect for the indigenous culture, which is becoming replaced by a culture imported from Pakistan.

fgs you were talking about produced items that would have 'made in England' stamped on, not food. lol. like shoes or machinery..