Britain... What the Poles did for us.

Strange, isn't it: a former PM of Britain knew what was right for Poland and opposed what happened post WWII but a former PM of Poland took the opposite approach & knew what was worse for poland. And despite that, Poles always blame the British former PM and never the Polish PM.

Par for the course :-(

As British former PM was active participant in selling Poland and the Polish PM was not

Rubbish. Poland was an economically underdeveloped country next to the Soviet Union. Not Switzerland.

Yes Jonni Poland was underdeveloped and 38% of Poland was destroyed but it is not a excuse to sell Poland to Soviets.

Nobody 'sold' Poland. It was Geopolitics. Geo = world, politics = struggle between different sections of society. Maybe Poland was a casualty of those times, but it was by no means the worst affected.


No it wasn't!


It never quite got it's act together and as an independent entity has always been problematic. Had things been otherwise, Poland wouldn't have needed to expect others to preserve their independence.

As opposed to Ukraine, which its ally (i.e. Poland) sold to the Soviets for 30 million Roubles in gold.

Funny how Poles always forget to answer the questions about that sell out & price, just s they forget to answer the questions about what price the British 'sold' Poland for.

not true !!!


yes!thats correct
its not about the deed its about a way - culture thingy I gather - instead of I'm sorry we will stand by you blah blah. Poles heard well, sorry mate thats the way it is and now hit the road!

Pride is powerful thing and then 40 years of communism.


not maybe and she was the worst affected !

At the time of partition it was scandalously underdeveloped.


At least Britain stood by Poland, if nobody else did.


I'm not sure the Russians, the Chinese or the Filipinos would agree with you there.

You mean like the way you sold your Ukrainian allies into Soviet oppression, locked them up in internment camps and sent anybody who objected too much to a concentration camp? Well done Poland!

Hey Did I say I blame Britain?
I'm trying to explain to you the reason Poles some at last blame Brits....


its debatable


harry at last they heard sorry from the Head of State


Which partition and its exaggerated greatly, some neighbors were in the same state !

Every other bugger does.


Yes, that's true. Though Poland's size and potential are probably part of this. I favour Adam Zamoyski's hypothesis on this.

No, he was a private civilian at the time that he visited the internment camp and expressed his opinion.

What do you think about my explanation - why they do?


rather management, though not that bad like nowadays :(

Harry - at last he did it!!!!

There's something in it. Americans tend to get the flak nowadays. Soon it'll all be their fault.

So what? Churchill used his position as British MP to decry the treatment of Poles by the government that replaced his and you still all call him every name under the sun.

my explanation stands its culture thingy !


I call him Winston !
Wasn't there cigarettes brand - Winston - I don't smoke, so I'm not sure!

at least we do not keep any one in ghetto for 40 years and bomb them daily

What a funny logic.
Polish Mikołajczyk was maybe recklessly optimistic or he was forced by the Ally. Anyway he was a brave man.
He was in fact framed in to this position by English-American policy to hide the fact, that Poland was left to Soviets. To hide the fact and to perform a 'democracy' show in which hundreds of his party members (PSL) were killed and thousand were imprisoned, vote count forged, civilians terrorized by Soviet secret policy...

The only field where Britons fulfilled their ally obligations was to take Mikołajczyk away from this Soviet paradise.


Harry you're wrong again. Piłsudski was a Head of State (14.11.1918-11.12.1922) when he said "Gentlemen I'm very sorry" on 15.05.1921. Will it be always that with you, factoid maker. I'm trying to respect your opinions, but you're ruining it with your fact manipulations.


So you think better make blah blah than nothing. But blah blah didn't work with such guys as Soviets.

Are you dyslectic or something? I asked for the link to the invitation and you gave me some Churchill's parliamentary speech which I wont bother to read as I have better things to do with half of the night. I hate to nit-pick but invitations aren't THAT long. Do you have more phony links?

The link is to a page which includes a statement to the British parliament by the British Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, i.e. the man who actually did the inviting). As for the actual invitation itself, you'd need to ask the Polish government for that: they are the ones who received it.

Come on - the British government must surely have kept a copy of it for the archives?

It must be somewhere - you could try to find it: Harry And His Amazing Quest To Find
The Lost Invitation (it's kinda romantic, like searching for the Holy Grail.)

Imagine if you succeeded - I can see those articles in the press: "The Legendary Invitation
Finally Found!", "Poles: We though it never existed - how wrong we were!", "Polish WW2 Veterans:
We Are Sorry Great Britain", "PolishForums thread: 'Harry Is Not a Liar' gets 1000 replies,
mostly with apologies to the 'Dear Friend Of Poland' ", "Harry Receives the Order of the White
Eagle!" etc. etc.

*rolls eyes*

And you weren't nice enough to indicate, or quote, where exactly in the text those lines are. Makes one think is nothing there.


I believe in Harry: the Wiki King.

HA-RRY-HA-RRY-HA-RRY

It isn't exactly a long statement. Why not brush up your literacy skills and have a look.

yes Harry produce the document that shows England invited Polish troops to Victory parade, or forever hold your peace

I had a good laugh :)

So it was sold cheaply, wasn't it?

"Sold" implies that there would be some advantage. "Cheaply" implies it was worth more.

Neither are true.

Come on, Jonni. UK bought a peace and some semblance of Imperial reconstruction. However wrong deeds give bitter fruits. And Britons lost his Empire.

Britain had been trying to figure out how to get rid of most of the empire for years, and the policy of the 1945 government was to start winding it down.


Peace was bought by a hard fight. Not that there was peace when Poland was liberated - the war was still raging against Japan.


Do you think it would have been a "wrong deed" to act against our Soviet allies who fought long, hard and bravely to gain their sphere of influence?