Britain... What the Poles did for us.

The 1945 invitation is the one which Poland accepted. They took part in the 1945 victory parade: it was in Moscow. The London parade was 1946: the Poles who were invited didn't bother to show and Poles have been lying about it ever since.

Yep, sorry, I messed up the dates a bit.


That's true. Seems like we don't forget, we remember it better than our birthday, but still we repeat it because we know it and can't forget it.


We are not taught History, it is often time "local rumors".


The only reason I asked you this question was the fact that in Czechoslovakia you wanted so-called "democratic self-determination", because you made 60% of the population, while in Eastern Galicia, where you presented 22% demographically - you wanted something else, far from "democratic self-determination". So the fact is you suited yourself with whatever reasoning gives you the advantage.


These are little tubes inserted in European veins to let off some blood, when the systemic pressure is too high ;)

if you spit on one Pole face and the the other will not accept you hand that is honor something that you anglo saxons bastards have no idea about

Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt ;)

Yes, you're maybe right. The historic argument as in Czech case was more adequate in the East.


As you already stated in Lemberg there were 60:17 ratio of Poles to Ukrainians. You've shot in your own foot.

And some evidence about ethnic situation of the Cieszyn region you can find on this forum:
polishforums.com/free-translation-42/need-english-translation-birth-baptismal-document-42217/.

You can see from the baptismal certificate attached there what was the language of parish of Karwina now Karvina.

I didn't. I am trying to be objective and don't avoid mentioning facts, just because I might not like them. Here is a map showing Eastern Galicia, where Ukrainians were majority in 1910:



As you might notice it goes to Sanok, Lesko, Peremyshel (now Polish Przemysl), Bereziw (now Polish Brzozow), Jaroslaw, etc. These are around 70 km inside Polish current borders. In all these lands Ukrainians were majority. L'viv, which you called Lemberg here, was the only city within Eastern Galicia to have Polish majority. So on the basis of those 60% in one city, you invaded Ukraine and L'viv, which was located 150 km deep from the Eastern Galicia borders? Hm, I think your toes are missing ;)

Regarding historical argument:
Holm (now Polish Chelm)


L'viv


Even history doesn't give you a smile. Please, don't jump about period of Ukrainian cities occupation - it is an old Polish tactic - it doesn't work ;)

I would say from discussions with quite a few Poles that there is an imperialistic streak in them. The way they describe old efforts in Lithuania and Ukraine makes me wonder.

The Poles did a lot in the war, need we say more?

...and forever...



...and forever...



...and forever...



I hope you're taking good care of Lwów. I hope you love the city as much as we do.



youtube.com/watch?v=Fhc6ZgA4hrM

Just don't steal our songs - that's too much...



...;-)

I noticed that Lvov seems like polish city while the small cities and villages in Lvivsky region look clearly Ukrainian.People also in Lvov look very much like polish in Krakow.

Good observation sense, Exiled. There is something, je ne sais quoi, essentially Polish
in the city's spirit. I always knew it and even you as a greek can see it!

Yes,there is a museum in Lviv and there is one thing like telescope where you can see old photos of the city.At 1900 the centre looked exactly the same and the names on the shops were polish.Ukrainians say the architecture is Austrian(the usual suspects Italian architects who built Prague,Krakow and all the major cities in Austrohungary) but there seems to be a polish note definetely it is like a picturesqueau Krakow or a beautiful Przemysl or a polonized version of gothic eastern German style architecture different from the architectural style prevalent in Kiev or Minsk.

In fact you did shoot. Not with true facts. You shouldn't see it as a merit to give some true evidence. You did shoot because you hadn't even noticed the coincidence between the very fact that Lemberg was predominantly Polish on 1.11.1918 with an argument of self-determination and self-defence of these population.

The map you've produced is no ethnic map at all. Just administrative division with some districts where Ukrainians hadn't majority. Shame to you. There are some maps you could use in support of your claims.


Shame again to you, Nathan. You should go back some more hundred years to Mongols, Avars or Goths.

The fact is that Lwów was in Poland from 1349 to 1772 (423 years). All these changed it's demography and structure so deeply, that only a nuke can change it totally. And later despite of Austrian efforts to germanize the city it was still a vital economic and cultural centre of Polish subjects. Since 21.12.1867 (Dezemberverfassung) Galicia gained autonomy and Lemberg as capital of Galicia exploded with Polish institutions. And it lasted till 28.09.1939 and demographically even to 1946.

So you have 500 hundred years long Polish presence in Lwiw, Lwów, Leopolis, Lemberg. Let's wait to the year 2446 or if you prefer to 2439 and then evaluate as equal hosts there. But I wish you Ukrainians all the best and to win this comparison.

Where did I boast my objectivism?



Look at the map, find Eastern Galicia and read the note I re-submit for you again.


Its major explosion occurred in 1920-1939 during conducted by Polish government policies of Pacification, Polonization and Sanacija, closing Ukrainian schools and publishing houses, burning churches, preventing Ukrainians to study in L'viv. Most of Ukrainian youth went to Prague for studies. This is how you exploded. Why didn't you explode after the war? Karma?!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacification_of_Ukrainians_in_Eastern_Galicia_(1930)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonization


Are you in your mind? Do you count German cities' of Danzig, Posen, Breslau,...lifespan too to rub their noses with? ;)


How was it possible?!! I thought that they had horns and neighed when you talk to them.


Wow, it was good observation. I hope his head didn't explode from such a demanding mental work ;)


He's Greek? Did you notice any STRIKING similarities between Macedonians, Albanians, Turks and Greeks? How is your good observation? Did you find any manes or tails on any of those? ;)


Thanks for asking. Yes, we take care of our cities. I hope you take care of Перемишель and Холм as well.

German cities?

Breslau/Wrocław, maybe. Danzig/Gdańsk, we could argue, but Poznań??? Are you serious?
You might as well call Warszawa or Kraków a German city, Nathan :)

*profoundly shocked*


Come and see for yourself. You know what they say - travels educate ;)

you are mad, mad as Spanish's cow, don't spread your diseased views on this forum, luckily its off topic.


and very good, its different matter to care about self cultural background than on the base folklore diversity build nationalistic identity and terrorist organization, nobody would recognize such entity.

Ukraine its explained Kijów and surrounding area, Poland had no problem with it and were ready to give away its lands.
But Lwów and Podole were, and will be Polish.
there no question about it, and people living there which happened to be other nationality either accept it or move!
And Nazi Nathan which is or was a polish citizen is two faced communist secret police member.

Back to thread topic
Poles've kept high morale of the female population ::::;

Thanks for invitation, Torq. Someday I definitely will :)


You blew my undercover, damn! ;)

Wrocław/Breslau/Vratislav was founded by Bohemian prince Vratislav I (and named after him), so it's Czech city :)

Oh, is it? So - when is the mighty Czech army taking it back ;)

Okay, let's put this one to rest. From "An Army In Exile" by General Anders (page299):

"On June 8, 1946, the Victory Parade was held in London. The Polish forces, who had been the first to fight the Germans, and who even in the worst days had never deserted their allies, were not invited to take part. That would not have been politically expedient. An invitation was, however extended to twenty-five airmen from amongst those Polish airmen who had had so big a share in the Battle of Britain. The airmen declined, for they did not wish to represent the Polish forces at a ceremony from which the navy and the army had been excluded."

"On June 5, Mr. Winston Churchill said in the House of Commons"

"The fate of Poland seems to be unending tragedy, and we, who went to war, all ill-prepared on her behalf, watch with sorrow the strange outcome of our endeavours. I deeply regret that none of the Polish troops, and I must say this, who fought with us on a score of battlefields, who poured out their blood in the common cause, are to be allowed to march in the Victory Parade."

There's more but objective readers should get the picture.

Objective readers will also note certain other armies and navies were 'excluded' from taking part. These included the US army and the US navy (which had made a slightly larger contribution to the war than the Polish army and the Polish navy), the Red Army and the Soviet navy, the Chinese army and navy (which were far larger than the Polish forces and had been fighting for longer too), etc, etc. In fact no armies or navies from any non-commonwealth/empire nation were invited to take part but only the Poles were rude enough to reject their invitation because their army and navy had not been invited.

General Anders also overlooks the fact that in addition to the Free Polish forces, the government of Poland was also invited to attend: they didn't refuse the invitation but didn't bother to send any representatives either. For further details, objective readers can consult Hansard for that day which is available here

hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1946/jun/05/foreign-affairs

They will be most interested in the following statement of the Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs (Mr. McNeil):


What would you call the government of Poland in 1946? The unelected bunch in Warsaw or the unelected bunch in London?

the only legal representation of independent Poland - government in London!

Mark1111 whats your problem?

Legal according to who? You seem to forget that the head of the Polish Government in Exile, Stanisław Mikołajczyk, considered the government in Poland to be the legal government and that is why the London Poles replaced him as Prime Minister of the govt in exile.

Soviet controlled and not the government so many heroic and honorable Poles fought for!


polandinexile.com/vp1.htm

to Poles!

As you know perfectly well Poles do not accept crumbs: we are poor but proud bunch. It's like being invited to lets say a wedding, half an hour before the ceremony and an invitation is only for you but not your wife, kids and your parents when you are fully aware that the invitation was issued by the host under pressure from the rest of the family. You'd obviously accept but people with some dignity and self worth would not. I don't expect you to understand.

And you still didn't provide a link to this alleged invitation anyway, do you?

Perhaps you might like to study a little about the Provisional Government of National Unity? You'll find that it was lead by a bloke from the party Pilsudski used to lead and had the former PM of the government in exile as a deputy PM.

Thank you for your link. You will note that it maintains the fiction that Poles were not invited and lies about the invitations sent to the pilots of the Polish RAF squadrons.


Which Poles? The Prime Minister of the government in exile or the cowards who replaced him? He went back to Poland to try to save Poland: they stayed in London and continued to complain about everything. Who better represents Poles?


Nice try but think of a new lie: the link is provided in post 324.

He resigned from that post before he left London, so ? ( I'll not call you liar as you would if our positions had been reversed )

He was on the mission trying to save as much of Poland as he possibly could( he failed).
The others as your arguments showed had been right in staying in London and not give any shred legitimization for the pupped in so called government in Warsaw.

So he was the last legitimate leader of the Polish government in exile: his replacement only got the job because Mikołajczyk decided to join the Polish government. And before you attempt to call me a liar, could you please be so kind as to point out where I said that Mikołajczyk did not resign before leaving London?


In other words he put the good of Poland before his personal safety: he was everything a politician should be.


Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing? Whether or not Mikołajczyk (and the others) had taken part, there would have been a government in Warsaw. That they chose to fight for a free Poland is a credit to them. That the cowards in London chose to not put their own yellow hides at risk shows which government the really Polish people were in in 1946.

oh they played the victim card, fcukin Poles always moan

no, the last legitimate leader of the Polish government in exile was Ryszard Kaczorowski.


Whatever you are right or not, there is no doubt that Mikolajczyk didn't change a thing but only have given creditability to Soviets puppets in Warsaw department of soviet government!