Britain... What the Poles did for us.

exactly, he's a good alie if i was Polish though i'd want to smack him for sure.

OK, here is a challenge to all resourceful Poles out there. Prove to me that Piłsudski met with the French to start a pre-emptive war and I'll be satisfied. The thing is, historians work their butts off to for years to even attempt to prove things to the satisfaction of others, e.g David Irving. Otherwise, the British gave the Poles the opportunity to use Spitfire technology, amongst others, to their advantage. Just like work in the UK now. Bailout options are handy oftentimes.

maybe not by itself but just...


don't get overexcited right now I ain't your neighbour, buster, I see that you know your numbers how about denominator ?If you familiar with it why don't you use it

to cut your BS by half?!


you need a boyfriend or girlfriend ....tsk, tsk


Good for them!
Always look on the bright side of life ....

So you ask kindly for a smack too. ;-)

That's not a matter of ethnicity. I'm a Pole though I'm here to learn how foreigners and Poles from abroad see some things and let them know how I see it; not to evangelize or polonize, and in no case to cure someone's frustrations.

Is it the right place, or I misspelled an URL?

You of course forget to mention that Poland had invaded Czechoslovakia in 1918 and 1919 and then broken the agreement it had signed regarding the disputed territory in 1919. I love the way that you claim Poland was fighting off a Soviet invasion at the time: the Soviet Polish war started in Feb 1919 and the Polish Czech conflict was in January of that year. But you can't admit who you were actually fighting in January 1919: the Ukrainians, the same Ukrainians who became your allies and were promptly sold to the Soviets while you nicked half their country. And of course you also fail to mention how Poland renaged on yet another treaty by joining the Nazi invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1938. Do you have any knowledge of history at all?

and the idiot of a century goes to Amathyst the stupidest person a live today

That's a lie.

On November 5th 1918, the division of the disputed territories were agreed
based on the ethnic criteria. The Czech government didn't respect that agreement
and on the 23rd January 1919 the Czech army invaded Poland.


Actually - the last offensive actions of Czech army against Poland took place between
21-24 February 1919 so it was over a week after the Soviet invasion of Poland had started.

It's also worth mentioning that Polish side was forced to sign the agreement with the
Czechs because of the grave situation on the Soviet front - the things were looking
quite bad then. We signed the agreement under the condition that Czechoslovakia
will allow weapon transports for Poland through their territory and they agreed to it.
However, despite the declaration of Edward Benes in Spa, Czechoslovakia stopped
all the trains with weapons and military equipment for Poland.

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polsko-czechos%C5%82owackie_konflikty_graniczne


I could ask you the same question, Harry, as you seem to get all your "facts"
from nazi, anti-Polish propaganda leaflets.

Anyway - gotta catch some z's. If you come up with some more lies, I will answer
them tomorrow (maybe - it gets more and more boring everytime.)

Yeh if you like.


Im afraid that award must go to yourself for totally un substantiated comments.

Harry as in most cases (not all however) missed some important facts again. The Polish-Czech conflict was started by Czechs in 23.01.1919 when Poles were engaged in the defense of Lwów, Greater Poland insurrection and in organizing their country.

It was Masaryk who made first ultimatum when he didn't recognize the armistice frontier line between Polish and Czech local national councils made in 5.11.1918 after the collapse of the Austro-Hungary. And it was Czech army which invaded this region and took almost whole of its territory, but they were stopped by Entente and the plebiscite was declared.

However Czech president Masaryk have more time to talk away Entente ministers than Polish one, because Poland was indeed fighting the Bolsheviks in 1920 when the final decision to cease most of disputed area to Czechoslovakia was declared 28.07.1920.

If they did wait to September, it could be another one.

I ask Harry many times why he lies about Poles, and who is paying him to do it but I got accusations instead of explanations.

now as to you wroclaw boy heel you son of cowards

Marek, do you know anything of Scottish history at all? Do you know how grateful the Poles were for our help in WWII? My grandad is still alive, he can tell you all about it. Care to listen?

Yet another Pole who lies about history! The fact is that the 1918 armistice agreement stated that neither nation would exercise sovereignty over the disputed territory until the dispute was settled. Poland signed and promptly began to prepare for Polish parliamentary elections in the region. The Czech government asked them not to but were ignored. But it turned out Poland wasn't as tough as Poles thought.

If you still be using such an accusations and epithets, nobody will read your posts and the sympathy of readers will go to Harry, even if he's a biased polonophobe and serves factoids instead of facts. So, please, stop!

Heres another Pole that just repeats the same thing over and over whilst living in poverty. OK buddy keep it up, you dont know any different so i'll provide a wide birth.

yes all the apologist and English back sabers we will soon see your economy collapsed and who you going to blame then your banks no you will find excuse to blame Poles as you always have and then all Poles will be laughing as your own banks and government stab you in a back, karma going to be a *****.

Meanwhile your mother and father, brothers and sisters live in absolute poverty (which is the reason you left) not being able to even take £200 - 1200 PLN bank loan. Flats where six to a small 40 m2 area are left needing good harvest in order to eat. There you sit in your small London apartment paid for by a crappy Hotel job thinking you have all the answers. Worrying about your family back home which is the reason you left, forgetting what life is really like in Poland.....

Come on back Marek, come on back to your crap country.....and hang around street corners again with a bottle of TYSKIE in your hand........ iof you can afford 3.20 PLN


If were going to blame anyone Poles would be at the bottom of the list, idiot, you got some funny ideas. I mean for what reason could we blame Poles for the economic crisis?

Good excuse for an invasion of a country.

If you stop this simplistic accusation-counteraccusation convention you can start to think how it all happened and maybe it will be better understood why both nations simplified facts and drove both countries to ruins so early.

Poles were in 2/3 of area of the Principality of Cieszyn in majority, however they were almost all from lower class, while upper classes were German and middle class and educated workforce Czech. Most of engineers in coal mines for example were of Czech origin. Some of Poles were emigrants from Galicia, and some Czech were emigrants from Bohemia and Moravia.

Poles perceived Czechs as immigrants supported by Germans in taking better job posts and blocking chance to advance for Polish workers. On the other side Czechs considered Poles as even worse immigrants and not educated at all louts. So ethnic division was redoubled by class divisions and alien-own xenophobia.

There were more turmoils in 1918-1920 with clubbers from both sides assaulting prominent activists from another party.

And looking from the Prague it was quite another story. They were granted with a country which had so big German minority that they simply didn't use an ethnic argument in territorial claims. They used a historic one. They were saying Bohemia, Moravia and whole Slezsko were Czech historic territories of the Crown of St. Wenzel.

While Poles wanted to make in Silesia an application of the self-determination (ethnic) rule according to Wilson's declaration. There was no common ground for discussion with so defined prerequisites. And there was a great distrust between both parties to break through the impasse. In the meantime there was blind trust in negotiating abilities in Entente.


Yeah. I do care. I want to see the other's point of view. If only spoken or written about facts and perceptions without insults and epithets.


From where do you know Marek's family so well?
I was told Englishmen never talk about other's money.
You should shame.


I do kindly request for not calling me a liar, please.
It just looks like some battle between en.wiki and pl.wiki.

I dont know Mareks family at all its a diss based argument for pissing length.
Englishmen talk about money more so than Poles in my experience.

I would shame if the situation didnt call for it, i guess that makes me a bad man, so beit Im sorry sweet heart. I's is loves..................

Dude just checked your profile and your mail, i's is not loves, but you know what i mean. Peace out brother..

So Englishwomen who wrote a book about Englishmen's social behaviour was totally inaccurate. I suspected it. So I thank you. Goodnight and good luck, you bad hard boy. Sorry no kisses

Toytally

Jeez, what an ass, spouting phony-baloney self-aggrandizing blather. Good luck working out your mental baggage, Shelley.

Can this person make a post without becoming coarse and abusive?

And look who is super sensitive Brit again?

Somehow Shelley post didn't bother you at all. Wonder why ...

You mean that the version of history told by Poles is different to the version known by the rest of the world? Who would have thought that would happen?!

Although with that said, the Polish version of history is usually very well represented on English language wikipedia: just look what the article on the London victory parade says about Poles being invited.

Wow! Harry! You have become a religious Brit!
But then, it seems to be a British trend.

Speaking of betraying, bullying and oppressing, yeah, karma is very much in action indeed:
...

What about Eastern Galicia? Why did you fight Ukrainians there then?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ukrainian_War


So why there was not any referendum there, "applicants of the self-determination rule"? Why did you wage the war?


So funny, oh, Poles, Poles...;) But yes, karma returned you a favor. But instead of learning something from history, some pathetic snotty losers continue to blame everyone around and try to rig the history just to fit their limited, self-conceited idea of pretentious holiness.

Hey, how is your 1945 Parade invitation from Britain? It was, unfortunately, made, but to whom? Traitors? WWII instigators? Come on! And they are still not satisfied, "everyone betrayed us, we were sold..." Ha-ha-ha-ha.....;) Double-faced creatures.


I am not surprised a bit, Harry :)

It was well discussed in another thread. And the versions of the history in different idioms are different - yes it's true, so what. English historians ignore EE historians and vice-versa, especially pop-historians.

Serious historians try to write well documented, unbiased reconstructions of facts. But they aren't well paid, because their books are not selling well. So there aren't many of them. And gigantic gap in knowledge on the both sides need more work than few guys can do.

And what is selling well? Simplistic stories with emotional twist, demanding no further knowledge of facts. But who cares? Maybe you, Harry? You pretend you have the best knowledge of history of the Poland. According to your posts your basic knowledge of history is deposited on en.wiki (of course for safety reasons) and family tales.


Wrong question! Why Poles and Ukrainian fight each other - it's an unbiased question.
Austrian playing divide and rule rules supported you in making a coup d'etat in Lemberg on 1.11.1918 - this is how it was seen by local Poles. And next. Next logics of war triumphed.

I came to the conclusion that history is no math...there is no ultimate truth, equally true for everybody everywhere. The view on the same part of history changes with your own background, your nationality, your age and your knowledge.

If people could accept that most of the discussions and feuding and grudging could stop...Poles see their version of history as the only real one, so do Germans and Ukrainians and Brits and everybody else.

But as it is people fight to convince the others of their version...people become bitter and hostile about conflicts ended long ago.

Sometimes I doubt the value of history teaching...especially the stupid saying "who forgets history is bound to repeat it"...what thoughtless crap.

As I see it in such boards old grudges are only being kept alive, heated on again and renewed with each new generation who should actually be busy reconciliating with each other...

BB don't be so strong relativist. Only true is interesting according to Józef Mackiewicz, very interesting but not a mainstream historian and journalist. And the true is...

Veritas est adaequatio rei et intellectus.

You can't stop people from warming over old stories. The only way to disarm these rusty grenades is to show facts. But you're of course right that some facts mean something to one party and not at all to another. Anyway without these old stories Europe would be...

...wouldn't be at all.

Fcuk you untermensch!