Not all is bad for Poles in Scotland!

But they eat pudding and stuff :P Bigos can't be any worse than that ;D


What is "banter"? Winding Poles up?


I doubt that, but if he does, it would be just another reason to stop answering him back ;)


It does, actually. Thanks to anonymity on the internet people are more willing to show the bad side of their personality, which they usually hide (not always in an entirely conscious way) in real life.


It isn't about a substitute of anything. People simply tend to show the ugly side of their character and views more easily on the internet.

(Oidhche mhath)

Depends who you are talking to. The point is that they are expected to give as good as they get, not to insult, but to make fun of each other ;)

Not at all. The internet doesn't show how you'd be in a class, let's say. Dave will tell you that. You still haven't got the wind-up notion yet as you over-analyse things.

You love to tattle, admit it?

omg he is a Shelldon, now I have solved the puzzle

i have found tha the only egotistical folk that dont like the poles working over here are folk that sit on their arses whiles folk like me and the poles pay plenty taxes to keep them on their arses . if they want to learn over here then so be it , uk is too full of chavs and morons who have no interest in work never mind learning

Yeah, GB has really gone down the tubes by becoming a benefit state. The wages for some jobs have been driven down to such an extent that it makes living on benefits the better life. Sad but true and my contacts in Scotland confirm it to be the case.

I take it your a daily mirror or sun reader then tabs, for your information the last government went to the trouble of analysing the worth of your polish workers that you regard so highly. Turns out the we are better of by 1p per person, WOW!.

And blaming chavs doesn't change the fact that many people are on benefits because the majority of work doesn't pay enough to have an acceptable standard of living but still many BRITISH people do these jobs. I don't know if anyone happened to see a program in the week called "fairy jobmother", there was a young familly of 3 and they only had £40 a week to spend on food so i find it hard to believe how anyone would think that people want to live like that.


Hmm, i presume that you might be ignorant to the fact that large amounts of migrant labour from all four corners of the globe has allowed companies to lower the pay that they offer because there will always be someone that will accept a lower wage.

This scenario is nothing new, at the height of the british empire (excuse the connection with the name) there were 4 million people unemployed in the UK.

BRITISH people should pay more for BRITISH services and products. The BRITISH people decided long ago to take the lead in the race to the bottom.

I think you will find that was the government, we had a good manufacturing base and who got rid of that???.
Do you really think someone would ship their own job abroad, people don't do that companies and governments do that.

Bang on the mark!


Cheaper imports, see Convex's above quote.

Yes, people do that. If you dangle the incentive of "savings", people will make that choice. Blaming things on some third party doesn't cut it. People love cheap. They reap what they sow.

not being funny but 40 pound i dont think so the gvernment tell jsa or income support by law what they have to give folk to live off , then child benefit on top then tax credits so hardly think 40 a week is correct

also depends on age of kids or 1 kids 2 adults then one should get to work and stop sponging
i have heard of too many folk even working and claiming and by that i mean hundreds a week then still get their rent paid . surely unless they are medically unfit to work or new born baby with young mother or redundancy surley they should be working instead of moaning about the poles learning and working over her . they dont want the jobs themselves but moan and critisise when others take the jobs , double standards . the poles are hardworking and pay tax like everyone else i as single mum and work full time and soldier in the TA i pay heavy tax for both incomes and dont see why i should pay for lazy folk to sit on thier asses , my cousin is one . but i dont sit and dwell on it but others feel sorry for themselves

Who looks after the kid then?

my brother and his partner which is good but they get paid but my kids are 11 , 11 , 13 ,, 15 so they are not young but when they were alot younger it cost me a fortune in child care but i always worked which is good thing

BE, then don't presume. I've watched a couple of films and some documentaries plus I'm Scottish myself so I know the score. Face it, Scotland has a lot of spongers and embarrassingly stupid people. We also have some of the brightest which is quite a polarity. It's been part of the Scottish debating stage for a long time, how to address the sponging issue. Instead of alleviating the burden, it has been exacerbated by making it too attractive to be on the dole. Me? I was on the dole for a very short time in Scotland but I saw it as a stopgap. It buys you time til you get back on your feet again.

It just depends what confidence you have in people. On the one hand, JSA handouts are positive in that they acknowledge the reality on the streets that unemployment is here and with us due to a lack of job creation for all. On the other hand, set it too high and you pave the way for a lazy generation that only talks a good game about working and doesn't set the ball in motion.

I don't know how you fitted it in :-)))

i know its a stop gap for folk but some folk take advantage , and its not easy to be on dole and its never the same money as folk are accustomed to but some folk do take the **** x

Of course, it's all about seeing it for what it is. In Scotland, you know we say that 'finding a job is a job in itself'. It is a time-consuming process and your CV can very often be at the bottom of a very large pile. The stopgap money gives you security that you can buy the necessities and continue your search more effectively. That's what I found anyway. You can plough through money too easily in Scotland as it is pretty pricey in parts.

Those that take the mickey should be hit harder by the system. No fob offs should be accepted by the DSS.

So remind us all who has the power to open up the markets to cheaper imports?.


Yeh iam sure all the coal miners just gave up their jobs after the near civil war they fought just so they could have cheaper coal from poland.


channel4.com/programmes/the-fairy-jobmother/episode-guide/series-1/episode-1

Well you can hear it for yourself if you like.


And the brits are not i suppose.


So do i so i don't see why people coming into this country should be able to claim child tax credits for their previous year of work that they didn't do in the UK.


Nursery credits

listen the only way she would be on that is if she owed them for social fund loans or something and she would have got 40 but she obviously wasnt claming what she could get off government


nad not nursery credits i pay for my kids and always have , dont tar me with a singleparents brush as i work for a living and if you could read you will see my kids are too old for nursery credits

Iam not saying they were only getting £40 per week, iam saying that after their energy bills e.t.c. they only had £40 a week to spend on food. Don't be so ignorant, watch the program.

BE does have a point here but, again, it's the system that we created that allows itself to get wangled. The Poles are sharp people and will find ways of maximising the usage of any given thing. They double claim but, like many other people in the world, are chancing their mit. Let's face it, we live in the money-grabbing era and people pull fast ones across the board.

yes they do but lets face it folk getting hand outs . where do you think majority of our tax goes ????

You mean if i had read that far up the page. As i have just done that then iam sure you (if you are telling the truth) one of a handful of people that can afford to pay for 4 children without any help from the government.


Do you really think that most of our tax goes on benefits, under labour the cost of child tax credits for the nation was £2 billion which is alot but considering how much tax is collected each year it is a drop in the ocean.

Family allowance and tax credits to multiple single mothers maybe?

god i sometimes dont even have that so they should be lucky they aint got rent to pay nah joking but why cant folk get a job to make things better for everyone relly if they dont get enough to live off that should be an incentive to get a job or go college


the socail only pay for adults now the kids are paid by tax credits but jsa comes from tax payers money and kilroy once had a heavy debate about single parents which was a ****** one but had one about folk on dole . i dont diss all folk on it cause situations cant be helped but if they dont want to work why should they sit and moan about the amount of money they get

It's not as easy as that, tab. Times have changed and getting a job is a major undertaking for many graduates. It's all very well saying that they should get a job but free will only goes so far. Not all of us can walk into jobs paying 100 grand a year or 500 grand a year. There has to be realism. Trust me, I've known many well-qualified people (with postgrads and great management exp) that have struggled. Luck was on their side in the end.

listen i earn too much money to be honest and never had to use government pay outs but its just because i have been fortunate enough to be in the same employment , both military and civie

dont think because im single parent dosent mean i dont pay my way because i do xxx


the socail only pay for adults now the kids are paid by tax credits but jsa comes from tax payers money and kilroy silk once had a heavy debate about single parents which was a ****** one but had one about folk on dole . i dont diss all folk on it cause situations cant be helped but if they dont want to work why should they sit and moan about the amount of money they get xxxxxx


i feel sorry for those folk teachers i think are in there and i dont feel it isfair for all the years of hard ork dosent get to pay off am not heartles honestly and think things should be changed to help folk in those circumstances as they shouldnt let the courses be ran if they cant guarrantee them work xxxx

Because it's in their nature to do so, simple. I know the ethic in rundown areas in Aberdeen and to be sb is often frowned upon. There were many gangs back in the day that would cripple you for trying to be a success story. The Mastrick Gringo paralysed a promising young footballer for life. That was back in the day. Many Poles just quietly get on with their jobs, safe in the knowledge that they know what they are doing.

Its not easy for anyone to get work at the moment, even in the good times there wasn't enough jobs for all of the working population in the UK.

Many people are just stuck, if you live in a poor area with high employment then you will almost never be able to leave which is why the government is now talking about helping people to move out of these areas.


Its true that some are just idle, every country has people like this but not everyone has that attitude. A good start would be raising the minimum wage which is one of the lowest in western europe, if french companies have to pay 9 euros an hour then why do ours only have to way £5.85