Poland - never again

The economy is doing better than ever, unemployment is at a record low, more and more companies are opening offices, wages are rising, the birthrates are now rising too, more tax money is being collected than ever before, and pis is giving poles their dignity back by asserting their independence and sovereignty. They understand that statements the eu makes about poles deeply offends them and pis is standing up for them. Poland is a Christian country - always has been and always will be as long as we poles have a country to call poland. The congruence and influence of Christianity in daily life doesnt bother most poles. It is a country where traditions are celebrated, church holidays are also public holidays, Christ is crowned King and the majority of poles are nothing wrong with that nor are they trying to change it. No one is calling for crosses to be taken down from inside government buildings because most poles are christians and it does not bother them.


They didn't create it, it was already there. It wasn't pis who suddenly made 3/4 of Poles reject migrants from me and africa. If the migrants werent causing a bunch of terrorism, bombings, murders, rapes not to mention a huge economic burden and actually were a net benefit to Europe than poles would welcome them in. Why is it that poles dont have a problem with the Italians, Portuguese, Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc that have started coming in and working in poland? Poles even welcomed ukranians, despite the tense historic relations between the two, to deal with the labor shortage because poles knew that ukranian migrants, unlike middle eastern and african migrants, do not cut off peoples heads and cause terrorism, do not tell women they can't go to a cafe unaccompanied, are not trying to force their religion and customs upon poles, and actually work and contribute instead of having their hand stretched out demanding handouts. Now the migrants in Italy are even demanding free designer Armani clothing as they're unhappy with the free off brand clothing they receive. You couldn't make this stuff up lol

Migrant videos
'I do no like job'
youtu.be/2SllN12H9-w

'Eat no good' everyday macaroni no good no good... me go to germany because germany very good'
youtu.be/Qyks5irvM44

Other migrant quotes
'I want germany or nothing'
'breakfast small, lunch small... just 2 bread - not enough for 1 people's '
'we are bored here, you can just eat, sleep... very bored all you can do is use the slow internet its so bad'
'I want money ya, I want money (for) smoking, send money to mother in syria'
'Food is no good, id give to dog. Tbis food is for woman (migrant saying the free food is so bad he would give it to a dog, only a woman shoukd eat this bad food)

'We need air conditioning, we need comfort!'

I could fill a book with all their expressions of gratitude...

And people still call them 'refugees' rofl...

Poles see this nonsense and u wonder why theyre 'xenophobic? Seriously? It's no wonder the countries who welcomed all these people in are now trying to get rid of them and punishing the countries who don't want them.

Job no good, me want free food, more.money so I can send to Syria

Yea **** that, we poles arent interested in their 'i do no like job' and 'no good eats.' In Poland you work if you want good eats, fast internet, good house, and money for smoke and send to mother in Syria. That's why we took in ukranians - you won't hear bs like this coming out of their mouths. No instead its prosze pan/pani, dzienkuje, prosze, o ktorej zaczynamy robote, etc.

Like the former Soviet Union round about shortly after the "fall" of Communism, seeing scores of eager young future-capitalist sharks walking around in Armani jeans, wearing Christian Dior and sporting pricey leather briefcases, doesn't necessarily always mean things are going great guns economically! What it instead shows more accurately is a bunch of little mimics, prepared to pounce on anything which smacks of greed and an incompletely registered value system.

Dirk, you simply keep going on about "Christ is King" - ridiculous religious rhetoric, like "God was for the Huns", and about economic migrants or Islam. I'm talking about the wider picture, just like in a relationship between two people. The kind of daily life we in Poland want, what the future brings, our prosperity, and what we need for a happy life.

Non of this involves the PIS led nonsense of the two concepts in the first sentence.

Oh but it does Doug , this is where you are in a minority and that's why you don't fit in Poland, ever wondered why you have not been successful in this county?

The more you push your liberal agenda against the people the more we push back.

For two reasons:

1. They challenged omnipotent position of post-communist establishment that ruled in Poland since 1989. They stepped on many toes and many deals under the table had suffered. That include vested interest of some foreign capital and their shady deals in Poland.

2. This establishment has close ties with European lefties who are in a position of power in the EU. Because PiS doesn't share their radical ideology and refuse to impose its dogmas and policies on Poland they lie about PiS and what it stand for.


It should your choice to put them on or not. Unlucky morons would die young no offspring, a natural evolution in action.


They are actually EU-enthusiasts. Overtly Nationalistic? Dude according to whom - commies like you?
Actually majority of the Polish populace support pro-life and more of them are the young people. So you are passé, you old commie dinosaur, you and Corbyn are both relicts of a bygone era.

....is one without migrants blowing stuff up, no cultural enrichment trucks, no leeching 1500 EU a head from taxpayers, no marching down the street with Shari4Uk signs, no demanding crosses be removed AND providing good jobs, a growing economy, higher wages, etc.

And that's what Poles want and PiS is providing - which is why they're far more popular than any other party.

This crap may fly in the United Kaliphate but we don't want it in Poland.... we don't want ninja women, we don't want madrassas, we don't want terrorism, we don't want no go zones and communities that exist outside the law and definitely don't want parallel

The Truth About Muslim
youtube.com/watch?v=WnmI9eFzO9A

Undercover camera exposes the hate taught to Muslim children. A Must Watch!
youtube.com/watch?v=r4D_OLm-RV4

AND THIS IS A GOVERNMENT REGULATED SCHOOL! The vast majority of Poles don't want this in their country Doug, sorry to break it to you. You guys may want that in UK, France, Germany, fine whatever. But we don't want it and that is our right as a sovereign country. If voters overwhelmingly elected people based on their campaign promises and views than that is clearly what the majority of the country wants.

How many cops have you ever known to be found guilty and do actual time.
Let's start with Ruby Ridge or even Ferguson.
And NEVR in a small town.
The cop, judge, prosecutor and jury all go to the same church and are all on the same golf league.
Your case is tried out on the golf course with a verdict before you ever step foot in the courtroom.


Dirk you talk big but when they have the law, pepper spray, stun guns, real guns, batons and there are two trained officers with back up with another two watching and they have your skinny ass out on the street with no camera's you will be singing a different tune then tuff guy.

They deal with a lot nastier then you are and always win.
You will never win out on the street with the cops, remember I told you that.

Quite successful in my field at one time til I took a back seat thanks. Spent 10 years teaching at uni and 15 as director of studies of my own language schools, but thanks for the concern.

As for fitting in here in Poland - I don't recognise PIS Poland, no. Poland for me is Central Europe, but you seem to want a Medieval Europe.


Really? Where is the roll eyes smiley when you need it? Ask educated women. But I recall that womens' rights don't count in your world.

Know personally? Zero - I don't associate with punk ass b1tches.


Of course not. They're bad enough in the suburbs - even worse in the small towns. At least the people in small towns in Indiana can now defend themselves against unlawful entry by police and warrantless searches of their homes. I wish my state had that = / But thankfully I don't live in a place where there's only 1 bar and the city hall, police station, lockup, fire dept, etc are all in the same building.


First off I'm far from skinny - I'm 220 lbs 6'1. Second, I don't bow to no man. My authority is God - not a man. ROFL pepper spray? stun guns? lol omg im so scared my eyes might burn I'm so out matched. Just 2 backups? They could have 20 more pussy ass b1tches covering their back and it wouldn't matter. When it comes down to it they're a bunch of cowards - and the whole world sees their cowardice on full display during every single school shooting and every time they race through the ghetto because they're too scared to pull over and step out of their car. Like Eazy E put it in the song '**** The Police' (a great song to blast during a traffic stop) - 'Without a gun and badge what do you got? A silly mothafukka waiting to get shot.. by me, or another ni66a... and with a gat it doesn't matter if he's smarter or bigger.' That's one thing I missed about living in the hood (technically barrio) - no one talked to the cops, no one helped the cops - the street had its own justice and set of rules - and they were enforced and police far better than the cops ever could.

That's why they're only tough in small towns and suburbs - people don't resist them. But the second they have to deal with someone who is also armed, whether it be with a gun or legal knowledge, they tremble. No wonder the cops are so upset about the new law in Indiana that allows homeowners to shoot a cop who enters their home illegally. If they didn't plan on entering homes illegally without a warrant they wouldn't care.

They can put me in cuffs and I will talk **** the whole ride to the station - just as I have many times before egging them on PRAYING that they hit me a baton so I can sue their asses just as I did the local department when they entered my home without a warrant and ripped up couches and mattresses worth more than their monthly salary only to find nothing. I remember one cop had a picture of his wife on the dash and I kept talking **** how she's a fat ugly cow, purposely blowing farts in his direction, referring to him as 'oink oink' - that really angered him but all he could do is drive erratically hoping I get banged up in the backseat and pull me a bit hard. That's all he could do and if it was a fair one and I didn't have cuffs on he'd be the first to back away. They only act tough when things are in their favor - otherwise they're a bunch of pussies, whether it's in the hood, in a school shooting, when they pull over a lawyer or someone with legal knowledge, and especially when someone is recording them because they HATE it when people exercise their rights. And yes, I record every traffic stop and have cameras in my car and house uploading to the cloud so theres no way they can access it or erase it.

You think I'll be singing a different tune? Ha! Dude I grew up in the hood and have seen or been through it all myself... I've been shot at, stabbed, held my friends as they died, lost so much blood to where I needed a transfusion, even beat cancer. A punk ass b1tch with a badge is the least of my worries.


Right, that's why they lost when I sued them. They really 'won' against Micah Johnson in Dallas. They really 'won' in Chicago trying to keep murder rates down. They really won in the whole Starbucks case too bogus as it might be. Even if the cops beat criminal charges they and their department tend to lose civil trials because there's a way different level of 'reasonable doubt' than in criminal proceedings. And I guarantee you with that girl it will be no different - even if they aren't convincted of negligence or assault I guarantee you that she will sue them for damages. All it takes is 1 woman in that jury or some black/brown people who cops and it's case closed.

what women rights? You speak some kind of jargon, a jargon that is deprived of meaning.

You mean the right to abort? Would a woman be charged criminally if she had an abortion outside of Poland or in Poland by herself? Just asking.

I don't know Polish laws on abortion, but the pro-choicers here in the US perverted the meaning of "womens' rights". A woman always had a right to abort or to kill herself before Roe. The problem was that abortion was not on the states' lists of approved medical procedures. Womens' rights were never in question. To get around it, the Warren court magically discovered a non-existing right to privacy as the Trojan horse to help ram abortions through the door.

I am assuming that the Polish goverment has the authority to regulate what Polish doctors are allowed to do. Right? This excludes many medical procedures on consenting adults. For example, a Polish surgeon is probably not allowed to cut off my balls even if I consented to it.

Would that be correct?

Yup, right after they hit you with a tazer about four-five times and you woke up twitching in a puddle of your p iss.
I find it much easier to say, Yes Sir and No Sir right from the get go and I am on my way in three minutes.

...and without the millions you could get from the jury if they beat you up.

On the other hand, your chances of getting some serious coin would be slim if you are not a slime belonging to an oppressed and protected minority. As a white guy, you wouldn't be able to tell the jury with a straight face that you didn't know that pointing a gun at a cop is kind of, sort of ....uncool.

Ive been tazed and it doesn't make you **** or sh1t yourself. All it does is make your muscles collapse and knocks the wind out of you. One of my friends got tazed with 2 separate tazers while he was on acid (granted in that case they had a good reason to use it as he was going crazy and speaking jibberish trying to break into a dunkin donuts) and he didn't even know something hit him. When the first one hit him he was looking at the dart all confused trying to figure out what just happened. Then the second one came and he went down right away.


And that's great man. God bless. But I don't kiss anyone's ass - least of all a cop. If they're respectful, I'll give respect back - always. In the same way they touch my car so their fingerprints are on it in case something goes bad to protect themselves, so will I record the traffic stop. Most cops hate it, some don't have a problem with it because they understand civilians are frightened due to all the police shootings and brutality. But the fact is that very rarely are cops respectful - especially in the suburbs and sheriffs. I find actually that Chicago cops are very respectful because they deal with so much bullsh1t all the time. Not once have I ever had a problem with CPD. They've always been courteous and always let me go with no ticket - including once when I was driving on a suspended. If I was pulled over just a few miles north for the same thing I definitely would be spending the night in county.

Same with Poland. Cops in PL are very courteous and talk to you man to man, generally. They don't give off that air that their badge gives them the okay to bully people and tear up your house and car. Cops in Poland actually try to deescalate a situation by talking. Not in the US - they deescalate situations by shooting unarmed people.


No, but the department did pay for new Italian sofas and sleep number mattresses plus a little extra my lawyer squeezed out for 'emotional damages.' I was getting tired of the memory foam ones anyway.

Honestly though good thing at the time I had a small dog at the time because had he been bigger breed I know for a fact he would've been shot. They'd probably shoot my macaw too because they 'felt threatened' and 'were scared.' That happens quite often where a cop trespasses onto someone's property, a dog runs up - oftentimes friendly merely greeting the person, only to get shot... If it wasn't for the body cams those owners wouldn't get a penny. Thank God most departments have them now. I can only imagine what people went through before they started using those.

Talking takes longer. They have daily quotas.

Google this one.
This guy had a temper like you do Dirk.
His family sued and look what thy got.
Florida court awards $0.04 to family of man killed by cop inside his own garage
A family in Florida is seeking justice after a jury awarded them a total of 4 cents in compensation for the death of their father, killed in his own garage by police officers who arrived on a noise complaint.

Gregory Hill Jr., 30, was fatally shot in January 2014 by St. Lucie County Sheriff's when they responded to a complaint about a man listening to loud music.

The guy got steamed like you would Dirk and closed his garage door on the cops so they pulled their guns and shot through the garage door hitting the guy three times killing him.

Just like you Dirk, the guy made his point.

That's because its a bullshit case not to mention a lack of communication between judge and jurors. He was high/drunk as **** and most importantly there's no video evidence and he had a gun on him which can corroborate the cops story that he waved a gun even if he really didnt.

What he should've done is refused to even talk to cops through an open door. Or go inside his home. No warrant no entry. Had they still entered the home itd be a lot different. And in indiana he couldve got the cops if he wanted to.

In his back pocket unloaded.

Never mess with the authority esp cops in the usa

Not wishing to be rude but after all that you ended up in a pokey flat in some multi story block., doesn't whiff of success to me.

Here is a question on topic I think?

Would you do it again? the whole moving to Poland thing

Writing this here as don't want to take the thread off topic.
I don't wish to be rude either Dolno, but from everything I have read, Doug has been living in Poland since the 90's, so I'm hazarding a guess that he knows the country better than a lot of people here do, despite the fact that to some he will always be an 'ex-pat' with no citizenship.

I don't know if he lives in some pokey flat or not but so what if he does? Many Poles are living in small flats in blocks, that's quite normal in Poland.

You have your dream of living in Poland now that you have retired after making your money in rich western countries. Nothing wrong with that, good luck to you, nice reward for working hard, but you didn't move to Poland 30 years ago, did you? Probably because you knew the wages were crap and life would be hard for you and your wife, and maybe you too might be living in a small flat in some block somewhere. No offence intended but it just seems a bit rich to me that you appear to be so judgemental when you moved to PL only after you had enough money to do so and live comfortably.

Then you also have Dirk who kept on and on about Doug not having citizenship, when Doug has lived in PL probably before he was born, and has seen and experienced first-hand all the changes that Poland has undergone. Of course, Dirk also comes to Poland for what amounts to be extended vacations with US dollars, so has no idea what it's really like to live in Poland on Polish wages. He's just waiting for his time to move to PL when he's got enough money to do so, which will probably never happen.

So to sum up, we have Doug, who despite not being Polish or having the sacred citizenship, probably knows more about the country than the pair of you combined, because he has lived there for all that time.......and in return he is treated by some members here as if he knows nothing at all about the country. Oh the irony!!

But it's obvious he knows nothing about the people, and if he did he would realise that that his ideals have no place in Poland.


But he boasts about the successful business he has run , but he has nothing to show for it.


As for not moving earlier I had children, sick and elderly dependants to take care of, no such thing as crap money, no need to choose it, make your own money, plenty of opportunity everywhere You assume too much when you say I made all my money in the west , a lot was made out of the opportunities that arose from the collapse of the commie USSR also China , but that's another story', think I couldn't make it in Poland back then, think again.

Again people like Doug know nothing of the Polish people, More like he whinges about anything Polish, church ,parades,government, police, I could go on with the list couldn't I

Anyway I didn't know you were Doug's personal lapdog, I do now.

Were you also part of the Bully Club back in the day, I don't remember you. or are you an ex mod?

Dolno, I have barely had a conversation with Doug, but from what I have read here, he whinges equally about his own country. He would do great on the British TV programme ' Grumpy Old Men '. I am trying to make the point that he has been living in PL longer than some here have been alive, yet it appears to me that his ( and other ' ex-pats ' living in Poland ) opinion is deemed to be worthless despite the fact that he, and others, have carved out a living for themselves and know what it's like to live in Poland on a day to day basis. It seems to me that unless a) a person is Polish b) a person has citizenship, then they nothing about Poland.

A Pol-Am who has automatic citizenship by virtue of Polish ancestry, but who has never set foot in Poland is not going to know what life in Poland is like, but here on PF, such a person is held in far higher regard than someone who has lived in Poland for decades. I just happened to read your comments regarding Doug, but they could equally have been said about any of the other so-called ex-pats.

BTW, I know plenty of Polish people who whinge about the state of their country too, it's not just confined to the Brits!


Dolno, I honestly did not mean to cause offence and if you have taken my comments that way then I apologise. You have mentioned a couple of times on the forum that you have lived and worked in other countries, so I presumed you had made your money to retire on abroad.


Just because I haven't agreed with what you think does not make me a bully. Bit uncalled for tbh.


This is the 3rd time you've asked me this exact same question!

Sorry.


Sorry again I get a bit touchy after the experience I had at the hands of the BBC when I first joined, Doug was one of them but by no means the worst.

Dougpol Towers is not in a "multi-storey block." And at least there is no smell of pig ****. Again, thanks for your concern. Whatever makes people think that their idea of success is mirrored by others?

And I don't know how old you are Dolno. I am 60 - so I haven't "ended up" anywhere yet. People here historically age quicker because they are used to acting old, but you lived in the UK, so know full well what I'm referring to. If you want to attack me because I don't like your obsequious priest loving State hegemony under PIS, you will have to do a lot better than that.


Of course!

Hey Doug I have no need for that, unlike your stalking career destroying buddies, but I have seen you in full attack mode when I first joined, nice welcome you and your buddies had for me (or anyone else Polish) back in the day.


Yeah you chose to come to Poland during the rule of PRL , You supported them with you hard work and taxes, must be hell for you to be living in a free and democratic Poland of today, oh and it shows.

Then he should have citizenship by now... till then leave the decisions to polish citizens


I got over 2 mil in assets and can prove thay sh1t any day any time... and im nowhere near done i made that just in my 20s, what do you have in your old age? The only reason why im still in us is because I'm doing an mba since polish unis are bullsh1t plus my house is up for sale so I can cash out. Why don't you buy it and help me move then? Only 900k - if you can afford it....


If you know so.much about Poland youd know that a british expat tutoring English at 60 zs an hour living in a pos commie block is the absolute lowest life form in polish society. We call those types loser back home. Indian dudes are making 10x the money doing coding and developing yet they came from a countru thays actually poor. Doug came from uk thats just pathetic. That's like an American going to mexico to cut peoples grass or a pole going to ukraine to work on a building site rofl

@johnny reb

With no video theres no way to know if he was waving it or trying to load it, like the cops said he was or whatever else And his skin color didnt help him out either. Cops sign up to the force just to put people through glass windows and shoot unarmed people because they 'got scared'.

All I can say is, sh1t happens. But some black dude getting plugged in his garage isnt going to change how me and millions of other people view cops nor the lack of respect that nearly 90% of them get - especially the ones in the us and especially in suburbs n rural areas. Once they stop shooting unarmed people for no good reason and actually do what their paid to do - including running into schools when there's an active shooter, until then **** em. Gotta give respect to receive it back.

Till then during any contact with suburban and small town punk ass cops ll refer to them as pig, oink oink, etc. Most they can do is give me.a ticket theyd give me anyway. As long as u don't swear at them they can't arrest you for disturbance. Theyre nothing like cpd, cpd are still cops but theyre a different breed bc they deal with real sh1t, suburban and rural cips dont. And much of them have a weird sort of weird humor i like. I remember there was a shooting at while i was at my buddys and theres this black dude just laying on the sidewalk with his guts hanging out. Sergeant pulls up and asks the other cops 'what happened? Bad chinese food?' Rofl

I think you are wrong about that Dirk.
Remember when the S.W.A.T. team arrived they found the gun in the guys back pocket.
One of Hill's daughters, who witnessed the murder of her father, along with other witnesses across the street, saw no gun in his hand.

They further claim, citing forensic testimony, that the gun was free of any blood or brain splatter, and that Hill would have been incapable of putting the weapon back in his pocket after he was shot in the head.

They also dispute the cops testimony that he ordered the victim several times to put down his weapon, and claim the officers only yelled "hey" before firing.

This one is far from over.

True, but with the only witness as the daughter the cops defense will argue she has a bias to lie since she's seeking monetary compensation. There mere fact that there was a gun in his pocket puts a huge turd in the punch bowl.

But ya its going to appeals, and I wouldn't be surprised if it goes to state supreme even after that. It def is far from over... also it appears that the jury meant for that token $4 or whatever compensation to only be for 1 of the damage claims not both and were confused by judges instructions.

Honestly if ur a black dude ur waaay more likely to get clipped let alone pulled over. Many cops are racist. Hell even black cops dont like young blaco guys because they know what they're capable of and theyre pissed that their generation fought for rights and jobs and sh1t only for the next generation to hang out all day and sell rocks. The few black friends I have dont even like coming to visit here bc they get tailed or pulled over and asked 'what are you doing here'