The British YOBs are back in Polish towns

British Council is a language school.

jola1 - Why not get good old Queen Elizabeth into the mix while You're at it? I'm sure her influence in this could be crucial.

You are making unfounded generalizations ( "brits who come are such swines" ).

I don't know if You noticed, but there was a topic up here a while ago, where someone posted data showing that roughly 600 ( if I recall correctly ) Polish women married British lads in 2009 or sth. That has to include a significant amount of pairs that met while a Brit was over in Poland visiting.

So what's the deal? Polish women like swines? Or perhaps You're just ******** too much? Or maybe You wanted to get with a British guy and he chose some other chick?

Cracow should be happy that they come over and spend their money there. A few black sheep are no reason to complain.

It would be very easy to find out who are behind the companies and explain to them to clean up their act or be banned.

To make it completely clear - I visited Cracow during the time when some Polish media was kicking up a frenzy about how Brits come and misbehave. And I consider this media spin complete and utter bollocks. For starters, Brits partying in Cracow don't really behave much worse than the general population ( which is, by definition, local ). Do the Polish media go apeshit everytime a bunch of roid-necks get involved in a rumble on Florianska? I don't think so. And for sure they don't drink more than an average Pole on a night out.

The few odd bits of extravagant behaviour associated with stag parties might be indeed new for Poles ( dressing up and such ) but it is just boys being boys, so Cracow should really learn to be a bit more tolerant.

I also need to add that from what i saw in some clubs British lads are a real hit with Polish ladies, so I don't really get all this criticism in this thread.


Being banned for offering a perfectly legal service????

As for disorderly behaviour, it is up to the police to sort it out, it ain't that difficult eh?

On the other hand such behaviour was in the past exuded to some disreputable areas,inhabited by underclass and semi-criminal elements. Interesting that such behaviour seems to be spreading among population and can be encountered everywhere including town centres.

If tourists travelled to any destination with lets say ' Thomsons' and started exposing themselves in public fighting and molesting the local girls. Then the local Police or officials would have a word with the tour operator and ask them to speak to their guests. Yes or No ?


Now, as far as I understand, a number of these company's are based out of Czech ( Prague) and run by Americans, they have a UK number because of course this is one of their main target markets. Last year I spent 3 months in Krakow so I saw the problem first hand. Obviously it is not all the stag party's, but some of them need to tame down. Krakow is not Birmingham or Leeds on a saturday night...

Maybe you should be a little bit less obnoxious eh?

That doesn't answer why so many Poles try to kill so many Brits by getting pissed up and driving home. Is that the new face of Poland? Should the Polska committees get involved? Or are they too busy whining about 'Polish concentration camps'?

Pissing on national monuments, mooning on the passing nuns, making rude comments and gestures, making fun of the locals, vomiting on the trams - is that what Kraków should be more tolerant about? If they were just boys making some noise nobody would care.

Sure...Let's blame the British... It's all their fault... I mean the Polish they're just saints in their own right...
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Here you go.

That's a movie that pops up on Youtube once you type in "florianska". You got a couple of British lads who had a few beers, are enjoying their meal and are calmly filming what can only be described as a spetacular brawl ( women get hit too ) between Polish guys in the middle of Old Town, Cracow. But sure, it must have been the British that started all that, then magically disappeared leaving the Polish to do the fighting.

And don't even get me started about the football hooliganism that is rampant in Cracow ( a few months ago a guy got hacked to pieces with machetes in the middle of the street ). You'll probably say it's the fault of the British because they filmed "Football Factory".


Carrying an automatic weapon is usually a criminal offence ( some U.S. states included ), so I don't think that's a relevant argument.

Exposing themselves in public places - Polish do that too. People tend to do so while drunk.

Public fighting - please see the movie above. These Brits are being awfully aggressive with their stingy comments. Nothing like these calm and reserved Polish gentlemen rolling around in the middle of the street...

Molesting local girls - are you joking, sir? Polish girls usually are more than happy to get with a British guy, even if they don't know English language and know that the "relationship" won't evolve past a one night stand. But if You still insist - tell me how many rape/sexual harassment convictions had there been in Cracow where the victim was a Polish girl and the perp a British lad? 0? 1? 2?

You just said companies organising tours in Cracow should be banned. There is no legal way to support this, I'm sorry. Even should half of the British visitors turn out to be fire breathing dragons, they're still EU citizens and they have the right of free travel.


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sure, because Birmingham and Leeds are just chock-full of these angry, drunk yobs, and all the Polish in Cracow on a Friday night listen to Bach and Bethoven while sipping lattes in classy cafe's ( as the linked youtube movie clearly proves... ).


Maybe the Polish could quit complaining about the British being supposedly so bad since they're doing the same thing ( and worse, see football hooliganism ) in their precious Cracow every other Friday?


You left out looting, pillaging, rape ( see warszawski's comment ), desacration, crimes against humanity and ******* Adam Mickiewicz's statue up the poop chute...

To summarize - yup, I think Cracow should grow more tolerant, this media spin is getting idiotic, not to mention this promise by the Polish Police to target British tourists.

British are being singled out for exactly the same type of behaviour that the Polish participate in.

Typical PF, if someone points out something they don't like about a certain group of people i.e. Stag parties, it automatically becomes a Poland bashing thread in some kind of silly defense mechanism.

Many think that stag parties need to be toned down, what's the fuss? get over yourselves.

It's not a comparison essay who is worse, or a competition.

It's kinda symptomatic how Brits can dish out plenty of criticism, but have a very hard time taking it.

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You beat me to it :)

It's not a comparison :p

the same is with Americans, Canadians, Russians, Brits, Jews, Muslims, and any other grup you can think of... and every each of PF members is like that, so please stop playing some kind of saint or something....

we could discuss fixing it, but it's pointless and off topic...

I'm not bashing Poland.

If there is criminal behaviour going on - let the Police friggin' handle it instead of talking about how companies specializing in U.K. to Poland tourist trips should be banned.

I can also understand some of the outcry from a small town in Belgium or Switzerland after they've been visited by groups of British hooligans on their way to the game.

But Cracow, really?

Cracow with it's infamous "Nowa Huta" where it simply isn't safe to walk after dark? Cracow with it's two constantly warring football firms? Cracow with it's unusually high number of stabbings ( one of said firms has a penchant for knives )?

All I'm saying is the British in Cracow aren't doing anything that spetacular to deserve so much negative press and "special" attention from the Police. Not to mention some of You guys here advocating banning legally operating companies or forcing the "British Council" to become involved.

Yep.


I don't think atheists can become saints :)


I spent the whole evening fixing my printer and now covered in ink and having reset the thingy to 0, I am able to print in any colour I want so long as it isn't black.

Now that's off topic.


So what is it that you are doing?

I thought the "British Council" becoming involved was the funniest point made :)

As Mr Wild Rover suggested, reward the good guys and punish the bad guys. So, all you Polish girls out there reward the nice Brit boys and Mr Polish Plod punish the bad guys. Ditto backwards the same in reverse in the UK.

Why should they not complain about stag parties and yob behaviour ?Are you condoning such behaviour?
What about the British complaining about Poles when they do not do anything bad? Double standards eh?

So what is it that you are doing?

I'm simply saying that as long as Cracow has this lil' bit of a problem with machete-wielding fanatics that kill each other in the streets singling out British lads whose only crime is getting a bit woozy and sometimes vomiting in the street as black sheep that need to be dealt with harshly might not be appropriate.

Unless of course it is perfectly ok in Poland to apply a double standard. Or unless you are claiming Cracow does not have a problem with football hooligans.


Complaining = ok.

Appropriate Police procedure where and when necessary = ok

Spinning up crazy **** in the media and singling Brits out as black sheep in Gazeta Wyborcza = not ok.

Crying "Let's close down the companies that are organizing these trips" = not ok

By your logic, there should be no criticism of Polish people's bad behavior in the UK since Brits themselves are not saints either.

British do the same sh1t everywhere one has to just come to Malia,Kavos or Faliraki to see for himself.However we do the shrewd eyes as we say here and let them do what they like because they leave money.

The "machete-wielding fanatics that kill each other" had nothing to do with hooliganism.

So you are saying that it's ok for ''vomiting in the street'' because there are other issues and people should look away?

Anyway, it irritates people, that's all.

Which, coincidentally, happens to be precisely the "excuse" many Polish use when some of their darker sides ( drunk driving which Harry mentioned ) are being brought to light by the British press.

But let's not get caught up in an overheated discussion here.

All I'm saying is that this whole "British barbarian hordes in Cracow" thing is getting blown out of proportion by the media.

You sound like you know krakow, so you also know that, yes the media love to point this type of thing out and that Polish people find loudness and vomiting on the streets offensive in their historical old city and would rather have a pleasant evening rather than put up with it.

They should just drive the stags to a red light district in Nowa Huta, it's a win win

Midas are you involved with one of these companies that organize trips to Krakow?

it's both sides fault... Brits, because send to Krakow its idiots and Krakow's because it allowes to be that way...

sooner or later it will end, nothing last forever...

oh that would be precious :)

This is precisely the kind of behaviour bla bla bla :)

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cds7lSHawAw

With You on that, Sean, it is a splendid idea.


Nope, I try not to spread myself too thin. Only a few projects any given time ( rarely more than four ), that's how I roll :-)

The police need to get to work and start dealing with these brits. In some countries the police goes easy on foreigners to avoid scaring off tourists. I wonder whether this is the reason why polish police are so passive or maybe their just lazy cunts...