AFRICAN STUDENTS INVASION in Krakow

Hi,

Just a month ago I arrived in Krakow to work and also to live, bcs I have a son with a Polish girl (not married and not together).

I just to come to Krakow quite often like 2/3 times a year for the last 4 years, I had a discussion with the mother of my child that Krakow has a lot of medical students from whole over Africa.

I did not believe her, until now, bcs every day I pass the centre of Krakow and I notice much more black individuals as before, first I thought it is a co-incident, but later I start to notice much more as usual.

I met again with the mother of my child and I told her I completely agree, I ask her what happen, bcs few years ago black people where actually quit scared when I met them and talk with them the looked towards the ground and kept themselves inside of their houses, now those days the walk around normally (some even very proudly).

Strange thing for me to experience, bcs before I came to Krakow I was a bit scared, bcs visiting is not the same as living, being scared of open racism and all that stuff, having a mixed racial child, I supposed is not going to be easy.

Now I realize, it is quite possible, off course some issues will occur but I guess is pretty safe to raise a mixed racial child, and that the mentality is quit changing and more open for foreigners out of Europe.

So, I just post this to say that I am quit amazed how things are changing to the best of the country.

And I must still say, Polish people still amaze me daily, quite happy to be here!!!
Had a lot of help from my agency finding a place, have nice co-workers, spend time in the best pubs in town.

Really out of standard welcoming,...

Thanks (amazing) Poland

Riki

I was chatting with a pharamcist earlier today actually in Klodzko hes black and from Sudan, really nice chap..

One world one people. Not a good thread title though

it has something to do with the magic of Kraków - not all of places in Poland are welcoming to black people (smaller cities for example)

I think that's one of the bigger myths. Small towns and villages seemed to have been alright...

but I was talking about smaller cities :P

good point, you dont hear about many blacks getting beat senseless in the small towns. In fact you dont anywhere in Poland kind of like the big kids telling the small kids they'll get their heads flushed down the toilets at big school - it just never happens.

maybe you are right is not really an "invasion" but seem to be more open for students from Africa over her, I spent time in Sofia and Bucharest, their are not some many students as in here, and both are capital cities,....


Last week I spent some time in Rabka Zdroj and I must say I felt uncomfortable, just bcs people were starring at me and honking bcs blacks don't walk there, but also they where very friendly and wanted to know where I came from and what were my intention over there.

Mainly I can say about the small villages you are right, but basically what I want to pinpoint is that Poland is changing to the better whit their open minded characters,...

I am not saying that marriage between black and polish is common, but I guess it would be possible,...

what you guys think about all of this, is it really changing or is this just a flick of my imagination

Its changing alright as long as racism exists we are truly not a civilised race. Dont mean to be pedantic either but its a "figment" of my imagination.

i hope it is changing... it's about time!

Riki, you come across as a cool dude, the more Poles you communicate with the better, you can make them realize, that Africans can be good people. Things will only get better here in Poland, with people like you. Keep up the spirit.

Well, I'm willing to call you out on the never happens bit...but, I stand by the small towns being safer than the cities....

Poles show remarkable restraint. I've watched documentaries which show unsavoury characters (Ross Kemp interviewed them) but they tend not to lash out.

I think so too - I can't imagine much racial violence happening in a place like Klodzko, but Gorzow Wlkp. (for instance) has a really nasty reputation for violence towards outsiders.

I was about to open a topic about Polish Easter celebrations. I saw many nicely dressed people walking with Easter baskets. It gave me a good mood.

But now that mood is gone due to this guy from Rwanda open up a provocative topic just to stick out his middle fingers to European guys. Provocative? Yes, look at the topic title. It's obviously chosen to challenge white guys.

It reads like:
"Look white guys, you think you can live free from 3rd world immigrants invading your cities? You can't, cause we are coming with hundreds and we are not scared and soon we will f#ck your women and if you try to stop us we will cry racism and you will be forced by law to shut your mouth, heheheh".

To make it less obvious that this is his real motivation for opening this topic he created a positive opening post, usings slick remarks like "Polish people still amaze me daily, quite happy to be here!!!".

It's obviously he tries to win the hearts of Polish and other European people reading this forum so as to remove resistance to African males and to try to cover up that most of them come to Poland to steal women from European guys.

10 or 15 years ago you would have been saying the same about italians or french. Now that you have had experiences with europeans you see them as fellow human beings and o.k.

It is good news that there are more africans in Poland, in means that in 10 years jarnova will not be fearfull of them anymore and will instead be ranting about martian men stealing polish women.

Jarnowa,I feel sorry that you were offended by the title, perhaps I should have change it into a more mellow one, but I guess if I read your post that you are a bit bitter in the thought that the world is smaller then it appears and people have more opportunities to travel and choose were to life/study.

As per my understanding few years back, I didn't came across a lot of foreigners of non EU (regardless their colour).
And I feel sorry to hear that you can only think of black guys "stealing" women from European guys, sounds a bit narrow minded from my point of view.

I guess this is for you a major concern, but as Poland is progressing into a more multi cultural environment, I guess this is inevitable that multi racial relationship will occur.

I do understand that for some people will take a longer time to adapt and accept, but if you go across Europe you will notice the changement.

I already have a child from mixed ethnic and the mother (Polish) and myself are very happy, that he will grow up in Poland feeling he is Polish and not a foreigner in his own birth country.

Also my country of origin maybe be a 3rd world country, but we learned a very expensive lesson regarding racism, and what it could to do,...

Therefore I had no intention in flagging around and upset people at all.

Perhaps you misunderstood my meaning, and perhaps you could have stick with the positive note of my thread instead of accusing and referring to the simplistic, that foreigners are here to "steal" your women, for my this is not even an issue.

I mean would you be offended if your child choose later somebody of another ethnic???Don't you just want them to be happy or maybe I have to simplistic thought, who knows.

Basically I think to revert to your bold statement, "stealing" can only happen with property(intellectual)/goods, human beings in this understanding are not considered as property since the fall of slavery.

So, you might also rephrase that sentence as I might have rephrase my title

And to finish, I think is good that Poland attract a lot of foreign students, that means that the level of education is considered to be at a high level.

Think about that, some foreigners really come to study instead of "stealing" women.

women are not property to be "stolen", maybe if you understood that you might have more success in getting a girlfriend.

(exactly riki, just read your post)

Antheads, you probably have an attractive girlfriend or don't have any problems getting one.
Please remember that not every European (read: Caucasean) guy is that lucky with women.

Imagine you were one of them and then you see an increase of Africans (90% male) coming to your city and if many extra competitors isn't bad enough, you witness that most of them are more lucky with Polish/European girls than European guys. Wouldn't you feel angry towards them? Not because of their race, but because their luck makes your life tougher?

Please give an honest answer. Thank you.

jarnova
o.k you are seeing it from a personal rather than rather than racist perspective, i can respect that. Let me answer your post in a number of ways.

Women are always attracted to the exotic so if you ever live in Asia or africa you would find african and asian women attracted to you in the same way your describe.

The other matter is that its important not to generalise, each individual wants somthing different and one can stumble into love in the most unexpected places and most importantly not see love as a competition.

You should indeed have chosen a mellower title, this will wake up too many Poles too early about this rising threath to their country.
You risk it's getting stopped before your numbers have become enough to feel powerful.

Wishful thinking. Immigration from Africa is still very low. So Poland isn't "inevitable" changing into another 3rd world dump place like UK, Belgium, Holland, France and Scandinavia. And you only have to look at crime stats and general wellbeing in these countries since the mass invasion of African and Middle East people began to to know calling a change towards multiculturalism "progress".


Maybe for you the main reason to move to Poland is your child, but most Africans don't have any family in Poland so your case is different. And even if it's not your main reason, sooner or later you will date another Polish girl. It is stealing because the source of attractive women is always limited. Your luck is a European guy's bad luck. Why should a European guy suffer bad luck so some immigrant from Africa can be happy with a European girl? I really don't see a justification for this. If you would stick to African women their wouldn't be a problem. But many Africans unfortunately want a trophy white woman.


The problem is not mixed race relations as such, the problem is about non-European males offending European males.


You're right, but unless you know a better word i'll keep on using this if you don't mind.

Jarnowa:

Physically, you must be extremely hideous if you can't pull a girl.

If you're trying to impress them with your intellect...you're doomed.

Hi Jarnowa,

I just read your post and unfortunately I have to state that your mindset is still narrowed down.
And guessing from my point of view, you think that finding a girl who accept you has to do with luck, no such thing is the mental and physical attraction in each other.Luck has nothing to do with that. Did you ever date a girl just bcs you were lucky?? And understanding from your point of view, I was just lucky to had a Polish girl, hmmm,....

I can only advise you to be milder and open-minded, then a whole new world will be open for you. And as stated before stealing is not really the case, I mean liking/loving someone has nothing to do with their appearance at all, you just want to be close to each other,and I am not a romanticus or something but appearance means nothing in relationship.

Even my son will be considered as a foreign from your point of view even though he is born in Poland,....

and regarding the trophy part I can not comment is to offensive.

And what do you mean with sticking to a black women???Do you really think you are 100% Polish, going back many centuries??? Why you don't believe in multi cultural environment.

You listen to foreign music,eat foreign food, watch foreign tv shows and movies, but dating impossible isn't that hypocrite??? Imagine life without potatoes,onion, garlic even grain,.... those are all foreign products, which came to Europe from abroad,


Hmm, funny what you are saying, bcs I lived in Belgium and Holland and you are partly right but now those days the Africans/Middle Eastern people where changed by Eastern Europeans and Balkan nations, and guess who is on the top of the list??

You can not generalize this kind of issues, bcs as long is a media fueled info, you don't know the facts,>>>>>

And believe me Poland is changing,... bcs the world changing too no denying that,...


but what about European males offending non European males???


I don't want to be a threat to anybody and the majority of the foreigners don't wanted either, and what do you mean being powerful, I guess you see it from a completely different angle,Pitty though

No point in arguing with Jarnowa

He has a closed racist mind and a huge chip on his shoulder. Ironically he is not even Polish (he is from Belgium) but the way he bangs on about it, you would think he owns the place

I wonder: how is it in Africa about open racism and all that stuff? Are white people discriminated? Do politicians sing "kill the Boer"? How about Egyptians raping white journalists?

Poland was always opened comparing to Africa.

Despite being dirty and polluted, Krakow is said to have certain peculiar atmosphere. :):):)

Some Polish blokes seems to be very protective of their women. On our trip to Hel from Danzig, we were on board a ferry and we sat next to a polish girl. Her boyfriend or hubby looked at us all the time, particularly my male friend, gazing at us menacingly and ready to strike if we dare to talk to his girl. On a lighter note, there was a young guy who sat opposite to us, wearing really short shorts without undies; with his uncircumcised (ugh) dick and balls hanging out from the side.

A temptation for an Aussie?

So many exciting experiences! It is really worth visiting Poland!

A reverse "Basic Instinct" moment.

Most male Poles (probably 99%) have such stuff.