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PLN 2,500 the going rate for an apartment in Poland


A J  4 | 1075  
31 May 2010 /  #121
If someone is only earning the equal of 1000 euro between two, they can't expect to live in a city centre flat with the latest furnishings, alongside driving a nice new car. It's just not realistic.

No, but demanding affordable appartments is realistic.

Any decent, qualified native English teacher can take home 4000zl a month without breaking into too much of a sweat.

There you go!
thenews.pl/business/artykul123692_teachers-poor-relation-in-poland.html

The highest salaries, exceeding 4,000 zloty were reported in IT, banking, insurance and power industry. On the other hand, teachers and cultural institutions' employees earned no more than 2,500 zloty (615 euro).

:)
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
31 May 2010 /  #122
No, but demanding affordable appartments is realistic.

They are affordable. There are endless flats available in Poznan for less than 1000PLN a month - which is frankly speaking, nothing.

Any decent, qualified nativeEnglish teacher

But even a pair of Polish teachers working in State schools can easily take home between them 3500-4000PLN a month if they apply themselves. Flats can be had for as little as 600-700PLN a month.
A J  4 | 1075  
31 May 2010 /  #123
You know, I should probably go on a holiday in Poland for a week, just to know what it feels like to be able to waste their monthly salary each day. Or maybe rent a villa for a week. And a Ferrari.

xD
Seanus  15 | 19666  
31 May 2010 /  #124
Do they do transferable chassis/suspension insurance in Holland? ;) ;) Your Ferrari would be wrecked on these roads.
SeanBM  34 | 5781  
31 May 2010 /  #125
Today, 21:20
You should keep in mind that times are changing. Many of those poor people you talk about don't believe in all that religious and moral crap anymore, which practically makes them uncontrollable. It could make them a potentially lethal mob to those few spoiled pests who are trying to suck them dry. (Just keep taking from them and you'll see where the road ends.)

Today, 23:45
You know, I should probably go on a holiday in Poland for a week, just to know what it feels like to be able to waste their monthly salary each day. Or maybe rent a villa for a week. And a Ferrari.

Well you seemed to have changed your tune or are the "uncontrollable poor" oblivious to spoiled Dutch folk?

:)
A J  4 | 1075  
31 May 2010 /  #126
Do they do transferable chassis/suspension insurance in Holland? ;) ;)

If you have an all-risk policy, then yes they do.

Your Ferrari would be wrecked on these roads.

Not my problem. (I did say renting, didn't I?)

;)

But even a pair of Polish teachers working in State schools can easily take home between them 3500-4000PLN a month if they apply themselves.

Shall I dig up some more statistics and articles then? Or are you going to admit teachers don't earn 4000 zloty a month? Seanus, do you ''easily'' take home 4000 zloty a month? You're a teacher in Poland, aren't you?

:)
Seanus  15 | 19666  
31 May 2010 /  #127
It swings so much, A J. There was a time when I regularly got 6.2k. I've just finished 2 contracts so that takes 1000PLN off a month. I'm looking at 3800PLN unless I get more contracts. Still, it's not easy to get summer work here so I'm glad to have it. Privates prop me up too.
A J  4 | 1075  
1 Jun 2010 /  #128
Well you seemed to have changed your tune or are the "uncontrollable poor" oblivious to spoiled Dutch folk?

No, not really. Just making fun of snobbish comments.

It swings so much, A J. There was a time when I regularly got 6.2k. I've just finished 2 contracts so that takes 1000PLN off a month. I'm looking at 3800PLN unless I get more contracts. Still, it's not easy to get summer work here so I'm glad to have it. Privates prop me up too.

Yes, but without those private sessions? Would a regular teacher who teaches one, two or maybe three subjects at tertiary-level earn much more than 2800 PLN a month? I don't think so.

:)
Seanus  15 | 19666  
1 Jun 2010 /  #129
Oh, not in public schools, no. They really need to work their way up before they get anything even approaching credible, relative to the cost of living. When times were good, I would regularly make over 6k but 4k is more realistic now.
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
1 Jun 2010 /  #130
Shall I dig up some more statistics and articles then? Or are you going to admit teachers don't earn 4000 zloty a month? Seanus, do you ''easily'' take home 4000 zloty a month? You're a teacher in Poland, aren't you?

Anyone in a city worth living in can make 4000zl no sweat. It's 25 hours a week (at 40zl an hour, which is on the low side - my best contract pays 80zl an hour, and my lowest is 47zl an hour) work. Natives simply don't have it that difficult if they have a) a brain and b) some ability to teach.

Shall I dig up some more statistics and articles then?

Go ahead. None of them take into account the absolutely massive black economy in education in Poland - do you really think 99% of people are declaring income from private lessons? Trust me - state teachers working full time might only make 1200zl on paper, but they only work 18x45min a week - do you really think they're sitting at home the rest of the time? Don't be stupid.

I can assure you that in Poznan, 50zl an hour for private lessons from a qualified teacher is the "normal" price. Let's say Magda earns about 1200zl in her hand from her State job - she still has plenty of time to teach privately on top. Let's say she does another 25 lessons a month - she's now on 2500zl or so a month in cash. That's not bad money for a profession which requires simply a pass grade from university.

But the statistics will tell you that she only earns 1200zl a month. Funny how Magda is always well dressed, isn't it? ;)
A J  4 | 1075  
1 Jun 2010 /  #131
Go ahead. None of them take into account the absolutely massive black economy in education in Poland - do you really think 99% of people are declaring income from private lessons?

No, I don't. But that doesn't change the fact that housing prices should have a ''healthy relationship'' with the official salary.

Trust me - state teachers working full time might only make 1200zl on paper, but they only work 18x45min a week - do you really think they're sitting at home the rest of the time?

Ofcourse not.

I can assure you that in Poznan, 50zl an hour for private lessons from a qualified teacher is the "normal" price.

Which should be cheaper.

Let's say Magda earns about 1200zl in her hand from her State job - she still has plenty of time to teach privately on top. Let's say she does another 25 lessons a month - she's now on 2500zl or so a month in cash. That's not bad money for a profession which requires simply a pass grade from university.

Yes, and that's still not 4000 zloty, or is it? Anyway, all this black business doesn't help your economy at all, and all of that will change in the future anyway, because you've joined the EU and you will have the Euro someday. (And new rules and regulations.) And then you'll remember what I've told you, and maybe then you'll agree with me that there has to be a fair supply of affordable appartments, houses, flats, whatever..

We're just nit-picking now, aren't we? I guess we'll see what the future holds for Poland, but somehow I don't think it will differ that much from what the future held for the rest of the EU countries. (In long forgotten, and ancient times!)

;)
convex  20 | 3928  
1 Jun 2010 /  #132
Plenty? In comparison to..?

They exist, 'nuff said.

I wonder what would happen if everyone would have to find a better job if housing prices keep increasing like they are now, but when their wages aren't. You don't have to point out the obvious, because I get that. Don't worry. I'm talking about something else and you know it.

Housing prices keep increasing because of cheap credit, rent remains affordable. Domiporta told me that today...

Yes, but you don't.

But obviously I know what they can afford, and how they live.

Yes, but what if someone decides it would be fun to offer a Ferrari to everyone, knowing that most people can't afford one?

Then the people that have an interest in it respond. The people that can't afford it don't.

Well, I'd call 6000 € a month a very good job. (But ofcourse I'm talking to Tony Stark here.)

€6k a month isn't superhero money. It's quite a bit of money, granted, but it's not superhero level. Working IT in Holland will put 6k in your pocket. Working IT in Poland will only put 9k in your pocket (CCNP, I'm looking for you!).

You're right, and that's exactly why there are a lot of rich people who are clogging up the lower end of the housing market, which clearly was intended for people with average or low income. If you can afford something better, you should move your rich ass and allow someone else to live on his or her own. Or build more affordable appartments for those people. Simple.

If I thought I could make a profit off of building apartments, I would. Ask Avalon about the barriers that are put into place for building cheap housing...

I believe you, but I know a few electricians, plumbers etc. who run their own business.

And I was just out on a rough night with a guy that owns a car stereo/alarm place. He wouldn't have a problem dropping 2500 on an apartment...

Yes, there are, but not enough. For every affordable place there are a few dozens of people out there who are on a waiting list. (Sometimes hundreds.) How come?

Again, domiporta works wonders. If you're making minimum wage in Poland, and can't afford an apartment, you have problems reading advertisements. And honestly, I don't know many places that you work minimum wage and afford more than a room...

Especially when you keep in mind that working class salaries have been frozen or actually decreased over the last three decades, while middle/upper class salaries have increased by 60% over the last three decades.

;)

Where? Here in Poland, working class salaries have increased year on year. Not to mention attending IT studies is pretty close to free. Excuse=what?

Still looking for a decent network engineer. Regarding the pilot, I'm paying a German guy to fly right now...

If he or she works for it, then he or she should be able to live a normal life.

The key is working smarter, not harder. Just because you work at something, doesn't mean you should get a paycheck. I like to look at the stars, but I don't expect other people to finance my hobby.

A full-time English teacher doesn't earn 4000zl.

Well, non native speakers are pulling 25 an hour for private lessons in Wroclaw booked solid all week. I recall that my girlfriend was overwhelmed by responses at 35/hr. I have no doubt in my mind that she could have worked 20 hours a week and made 3k...

What if no one wants to pick up the garbage?

No one wants to pick up garbage. They do it because the rest of society places a value on that service. If the service gets worse, we would pay for the level of service that we expect.
A J  4 | 1075  
1 Jun 2010 /  #133
I didn't read your last reply, I just wanted to say that.

;)
Wroclaw Boy  
1 Jun 2010 /  #134
thats very arrogant either that or your a liar i suspect the latter.
A J  4 | 1075  
1 Jun 2010 /  #135
So why can't I be both then? (I can multi-task you know!) Nah, just felt like being a bit annoying and it was 6:00 in the morning!

;P

Where? Here in Poland, working class salaries have increased year on year.

I guess your last reply was reasonable, but if everyone earns fair wages in Poland, then why are so many people working abroad? All I hear from them is that it's worse, worser, worst.

Not to mention attending IT studies is pretty close to free. Excuse=what?

Hey, if you can afford to study, then there's no excuse not to do it. (I know I would!)

:)
convex  20 | 3928  
1 Jun 2010 /  #136
If triple your salary was only an hour away by plane, would you take off?

Hey, if you can afford to study, then there's no excuse not to do it. (I know I would!)

There are plenty of loans and grants here to cover living expenses, not to mention student jobs. Considering the cost of tuition, you don't exactly need a lot of money to go to school... If nothing else, going to university isn't an issue here.
A J  4 | 1075  
1 Jun 2010 /  #137
If triple your salary was only an hour away by plane, would you take off?

Not if I had children, no. Besides, the whole triple-your-salary thing will be over soon, and then what?

There are plenty of loans and grants here to cover living expenses, not to mention student jobs. Considering the cost of tuition, you don't exactly need a lot of money to go to school... If nothing else, going to university isn't an issue here.

In which language do they teach their subjects?

:)
convex  20 | 3928  
1 Jun 2010 /  #138
Not if I had children, no. Besides, the whole triple-your-salary thing will be over soon, and then what?

Which probably explains all the students. Are you suggesting that wages will rise here to the UKs level, or that UK salaries will drop?

In which language do they teach their subjects?

How's your Polish? As a cloggy, you can go to uni here...
A J  4 | 1075  
1 Jun 2010 /  #139
Which probably explains all the students. Are you suggesting that wages will rise here to the UKs level, or that UK salaries will drop?

I'm suggesting that once they'll have the Euro, their prices will go up drastically, because the plan was, and still is, to have one currency in Europe, with one value. You can't expect to have a weak Euro in Poland, and a stronger Euro in the rest of the countries, but I'm sure you guys already knew that.

How's your Polish? As a cloggy, you can go to uni here...

Not good enough to be able to study at a University in Poland, but I don't necessarily have to study there so that's okay.

:)
frd  7 | 1379  
1 Jun 2010 /  #140
Not good enough to be able to study at a University in Poland, but I don't necessarily have to study there so that's okay.

There are IT courses in English (sometimes Ponglish) in most polish universities of technology, 1 person dorm room costs 300-400zł...
convex  20 | 3928  
1 Jun 2010 /  #141
I'm suggesting that once they'll have the Euro, their prices will go up drastically, because the plan was, and still is, to have one currency in Europe, with one value. You can't expect to have a weak Euro in Poland, and a stronger Euro in the rest of the countries, but I'm sure you guys already knew that.

One of the goals in the EU is price equilibrium across member states. The hikes are already taking place, and it's a gradual rise. Poland won't be getting the Euro for some time to come. Anyway, a Big Mac in Kosice is still way cheaper than buying one in Nice. There were no drastic price changes in Slovakia for basic goods and services.
A J  4 | 1075  
1 Jun 2010 /  #142
There are IT courses in English (sometimes Ponglish) in most polish universities of technology, 1 person dorm room costs 300-400zł...

Really? I know Ponglish! LOL. 100 €? Okay. (Somehow I think it won't be that cheap for a foreigner though!)

;)

Poland won't be getting the Euro for some time to come.

Depends on how you look at it? I've heard they will adopt the Euro around 2014. They originally intended to adopt the Euro around 2012, but they said they couldn't achieve this target just yet. As soon as they can they will, there's not much doubt about that, since Poland signed the treaties.

There were no drastic price changes in Slovakia for basic goods and services.

Slovakia almost sounds like the place to be then!

:)
frd  7 | 1379  
1 Jun 2010 /  #143
Really? I know Ponglish! LOL. 100 €? Okay. (Somehow I think it won't be that cheap for a foreigner though!)

Well when I was a member of IAETE I remember we were arranging accomodation in the dorms for foreign students, don't remember prices back then but I think I can ask people who will know if you're interested.. ; o
A J  4 | 1075  
1 Jun 2010 /  #144
I already made a plan for myself, but thank you for the offer anyway.

:)
milky  13 | 1656  
2 Jun 2010 /  #145
PLN 2,500 the going rate for an apartment in Poland

This is simply a lie.
Wroclaw Boy  
2 Jun 2010 /  #146
Its not the going rate, thats exactly what were discussing. Who here said it was the going rate?
convex  20 | 3928  
2 Jun 2010 /  #147
Its not the going rate

It's the going rate for 2,500zl apartments :)
SeanBM  34 | 5781  
2 Jun 2010 /  #148
Who here said it was the going rate?

The title of this thread.
Wroclaw Boy  
2 Jun 2010 /  #149
Talking to a girl last night, she told me her sister got a nice central 2 bedroom apartment in wroclaw for 800 zloty a month.

Theres plenty about, i can almost guarantee it would be an old communist block. Tatty from the outside, no elevator etc.. also two bedroom probably means two room so one bedroom perhaps around 30 m2.

The title of this thread.

Should be a quesiton not a statement, that'd be a Mod then.
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
2 Jun 2010 /  #150
I recall that my girlfriend was overwhelmed by responses at 35/hr.

I know some Poles taking 50zl an hour for lessons and they're getting it. Fair enough, they're the well qualified ones - but still.

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