Hi again i am looking to buy a house between 120-140 m2 in warsaw ! Which you think is the good suburd there , i have seen same houses in Bialoleka area and the prices are 6500zl per m2 , but it is a little bit far away from the centre , can you tell same other areas to look and the average prices per m2 ! thanks a lot for your help ,
i am intresting to have good trasportation , schools , shops etc , beacause i have a family
That's probably a bad translation. Warsaw doesn't have NAmerican style suburbs.
It has outskirts some of which have small surburbanish developments on them. But these are often in inconvenient places without much access to public transport or shopping (and since they're private the city government isn't that interested in extending services to them). Unless every adult in the household has a car of their own living in them won't be easy.
There are some small towns and villages nearby where many or most people commute to work in Warsaw but these are also often not wonderful to live in, especially foreigners (especially with kids). Some have become fashionable enclaves for the moneyed classes but these are very expensive.
I'd go looking for a house (willa) within the city in an area like Sadyba, a nice green part of the city.
ok sorry for the bad traslation but i found it in real estate site (warsaw suburns) ! I got your point and i have the same opinion with you about the incovinience is to live in a place 15klm away of the centre and without good trasportation , that is they way i ask for other opinions , as you imagine i have been there to (Bialoleka area) and although i like the place , big streets , a lot of green , nice houses with garage and gardens and i think normal prices for warsaw, beacause i think the average price for warsaw is about 7000-9000zl there i found same houses asking about 6500 and same of them 6000zl , but the problem is that the trasportation is pure ..
I'd say suburb first and outskirts only as an afterthought. To me, e.g. Kabaty are definitely a suburb of Warsaw, but I don't think they actually lie on the outskirts of the city any more. Maybe that's just me.
For me (shaped by US usage) if it's in the city limits then it cannot by definition be a suburb (unless there's some kind of barrier between it and the more urban part).
Kabaty is part of Ursynów and completely in the city limits of Warsaw. It's a residential area on the outskirts of the city (outskirts refers to the areas just inside and outside the city limits).
The problem is of course that Polish vocabulary doesn't line up exactly with any particular variety of English. There's no reason it should since various kinds of English don't line up with each other either.
I found on the map called suberb the areas : Bielany , Bialoleka , Bemowo, Ursus, Wola, Zoliborz, Tarqowed,Ochota, Wlochy, Ursynow, Srodmiescie, Praga Poludnie , Rembertow, Wesola, Wawer, Wilonow, Mokotow, i dont know if i am right but i ask for opinions to suggest me a place and if you know the average prices in the above areas ,so i can look further , i think the forum is to change opininions and help each other if we have same informations , if someone could help me it will be great
Those are just districts within Warsaw (Śródmieście means 'city center'). I don't know Warsaw well enough to suggest any more than I have. Sadyba is a nice place with good connections to downtown and I used to know it a little.
I don't know prices at all. Sorry.
My main advice is double check everything with local people you know and trust (with no financial interest in you buying or not buying anything in particular).
That's probably a bad translation. Warsaw doesn't have NAmerican style suburbs.
It has Polish-style suburbs. Being in Europe, that's no surprise. Sadyba, Wilanow, Ursus,Zoliborz etc. If you mean residential areas outside the city limits, there are plenty of those too. Piaseczno, Komorow are two examples. One of the posters here lives in Komorow, and I lived in Sadyba.
I don't know Warsaw well
Evidently.
I'd say suburb first and outskirts only as an afterthought. To me, e.g. Kabaty are definitely a suburb of Warsaw, but I don't think they actually lie on the outskirts of the city any more. Maybe that's just me.
Not just you. It's spot on. gs_s What sort of home are you looking for, cheap, mid-price etc, what's important to you in a district? Where are you from? Some people here might know both cities, and that can provide a point of reference.
By the classic definition, the English term "sub-urb" [Latin: sub-urbs] or the Polish term "przed-mieście" would describe a place outside the city limits. In Poland and in Warsaw it was indeed so in the past as the name of the street "Krakowskie Przedmieście" which had been for a very long time outside the administrative city limits shows. These days the problem is that boundaries of cities are often set beyond strict 'township' areas, sometimes comprising arable land or forests within them. For this reason, "przedmieście" is commonly used in Poland today to describe an area beyond the city center, but within the city limits.
A colleage of mine was once searching for the best suburb of Warsaw to build his house some 15 years ago. As he is a very inquisitive guy, I'm sure he did his best to accomplish the task. What he arrived at was the southern [areas around Piaseczno] and northern [the suburbian town of £omianki] suburbs of Warsaw [I would call them 'południowe i północne okolice Warszawy' rather than 'południowe i północne przedmieścia Warszawy']. He has eventually had the house built in one of those chosen areas. But remember, the choice was being made some 15 years ago.
It has Polish-style suburbs. Being in Europe, that's no surprise.
It wasn't at all clear if the OP had any clear idea of the way Warsaw is set up or what most Polish people mean when they say 'suburb'. That's why I brought up the issue. Just because three people are using the same word doesn't mean they have the same thing in mind.
I've spent a fair amount of time near/in Sadyba (couple months total) and would never call it a suburb.
Jonni i am from Greece and i must move one there , i would like to buy a new house about 120-140m2 a i think i mid price house , i want to spend about 5000-6000zl per m2 , beacause then i have to pay same money to complete the house , because in Poland the developers sell the houses in schell , without kitchens , tiles , and all the necessary things
This is the OPs second thread in a week. The other was largely ignored because he asked for specifics, which few people could give. But there were a few clues about what he wants.
Sadyba though, is a classic suburb. Quite a nice one too, though on the expensive side. Good for expats - since communist times and maybe before there's been a foreign community. Plenty of diplomats and good restaurants and shopping.I lived there for five years,on the Sadyba/Dolny Mokotow borders.
The European definition of a suburb would be a residential district outside the city centre.
mafketi Sadyba area is in Mokotow i think , which is the best word if you want to explain Mokotow and all the other areas above such as Bielany , Bialoleka , Bemowo, Ursus, Wola, Zoliborz, Tarqowed,Ochota, Wlochy, Ursynow, Srodmiescie, Praga Poludnie , Rembertow, Wesola, Wawer, Wilonow, Mokotow all these areas are in the city limits of Warsaw
It's mostly in the borough of Mokotow, but nobody would call it Mokotow in conversation. It's nearer Wilanow. A very nice area, but due to being a short drive from the city centre, prices are high. A very very safe area due to all the diplomatic residences, which are patrolled by the police.
I like Wawer, which is outside the city limits but nearer than, say, Ursus (a toilet) or Wlochy (a pleasant but somewhat run-down suburb). It's a good area.
i want to spend about 5000-6000zl per m2 , beacause then i have to pay same money to complete the house
In that case I suggest you should look for it in 'okolice' Warszawy rather than 'przedmieścia' Warszawy [let's stick to those Polish terms in order to avoid confusion in regard to their translations into English]. Inside Warsaw maybe Bialołeką would match your financial requirements. But if prices are lower somewhere, it is beacause the place has its disadvantages, in this case poor transportation.
