Which PF expats are corporate "sleepers"?

Or the idea of that is simply alien to you since you aren't Polish?

You still didn't answer what beside thinking that about yourself makes you a Pole? It is obvious it's not passport.

The you go again, trying to oversimplify something and twist it into your limited nationalistic (and probably racist) point of view.


Mind your own business. Personal privacy is an important part of Polish culture.

They, plus DNA, certainly why you aren't Polish, unless it's suddenly honourable to mislead Polonia, to lie about Poles and to have worked with particularly unsavoury elements of the commie era regime.

That's the answer I expected. Bye Mr. Wannabe Kowalski. Rofl

Bye, Mr 'I'm so Polish I haven't had for a bank account here since at least the mid-1990s and I don't even know what Polish passports and ID cards look like'.

Don't worry, Mr Didntwannabe Kowalski. If you live in a country for most of your life you too can become naturalised. Assuming you meet the correct requirements for naturalisation, have kept up to your taxes and other formalities and certain other things - including being happy with where you live - perhaps the hardest thing for you.

I wonder if the Mods might change the thread title. Even the OP himself prefers to discuss other things than his ridiculous 'corporate sleeper' fantasy.

I was born in Zielona Góra and lived there for 25 years. My parents are Polish, my grandparents are too. They live there still. Currently I am in Zielona Góra. My 1st language is Polish. I own bank account in Pekao SA. I own Polish driving licence. I graduated schools in Poland. I was in Polish Army. I am 100% pure Polish blood all the way till medieval times. I am Polish as opposed to you Mr. Wannabe Pole.

It's actually flattering that so many of you wished to be Poles. Feel sorry for you but the harsh truth is you will never be.

Who cares? Mr Khan and his children who came here by choice, naturalised, settled and contributed to the country far more than you ever did before you abandoned Poland are every bit as as Polish as you are.

Great, can you tell us where on that document narodowosc is mentioned? You claimed that "on every single legal document narodowość and obywatelstwo are two". So where is it on your driving licence? Or was your claim nothing more than a lie you thought you could slip past us?


That's probably the most amusing thing I've read this month.


If I'd wanted to be Polish, I would have filled in the paperwork more than a decade ago.

You still wouldn't become Polish. Just a citizen of Poland.

Check the forms you need to fill in before you get the plastic.

I believe you Harry, but there is a catch, they would have to check your past for criminal records. Hence you prefer not to apply for the Polish passport.


Honestly I don't understand what you are arguing about? It obvious that there is modicum of culture shared by the people who are Polish, it is also clear that Soviet occupation produced some number of people for whom that shared modicum is an alien concept!

I call them soviet Poles.
However you are arguing with a foreign progressivism for them the very concept of nationality is a simple matter of the paperwork and passport. In their eyes if they have right papers and if they claim to be Polish they are as Polish as they come.

That is an ideological bias, you cannot argue with that. You would have a better change of converting a Muslim to Christianity than convince them to your/our point of view.

The police have checked my past (and present, i.e. things like showing my neighbours my photo and asking if they think I live in my flat and if there's anything they should know about me) every time I applied for the one-year and two-year residency permits before Poland joined the EU and they also do that every time I get one of the five-year 'certificates confirming right to reside in Poland' which are issued to EU citizens, so nine times in total now, but thanks for trying to tell us what it's like to live in Poland. Now, perhaps you'll tell us why you refuse to live here? Are you trying to hide something?

You're right. The only value for them is what Brussels say. Seems I act like a Don Cichote. Silly me.

Basically yes.

Some of them are surprised that a naturalised Pole might be more aware of what's what than someone who abandoned the country as soon as they could.


Isn't it. I was thinking of a reply but the comment was so stupid that words genuinely failed me.

Harry " things like showing my neighbors my photo and asking if they think I live in my flat" I have never known that to happen where i am , the brits near me just get a quick visit and the police are out of their as fat as they can, down to the petrol station to buy more doughnuts.

Can others share their experience of these checks.

To be fair, that was under the system existing in before Poland joined the EU and all of the residency permit applications since then at that same address haven't (as far as I'm aware) needed a police visit, most probably because I'm already in their system as having been repeatedly checked at that address.

But his loyalty will always be somehwat suspect. Mi6?

They never visited me at all, either before or after EU entry. Now they seem to check on the computer rather than a home visit.


Perhaps suspect for you, as so many things seem to be! even very suspect for an American who chose to live in a communist country. For normal people no, not in the least bit suspect that someone should be aware of regulations that affect them

That's ********, you know that as well as everybody else. if anything, it would be "honor, ojczyzna". Bóg was added recently(-ish)


oh, please tell me what's a "Polish DNA".

A Pole is a someone who consider himself as a Pole and is also a Polish citizen.

Bóg Honor Ojczyzna was the motto of Polish Forces in the West in WW2 by the decree of the Govt-in-Exile. It was restored after communism was ditched. But regardless of when it was officially decreed, it has always encapsulated the essence of Polish heritage, what Polishness is all about.

Polish DNa is a skrót myślowy for the R1a haplogroup of which Poland's population has the highest level. Only Wends (Lusatians) have more. BTW there are companies that analyse your ethnic DNA.

I have that too. Perhaps you should have a dna test too and we can compare...

only after 1943. Honor I Ojczyzna was a motto for much, much longer- since Bonaparte times.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1a#/media/File:Distribution_Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.svg
it's as much Polish as central asian.
not to mention that the stating that polish dna exist you pretty clearly state that almost 50% of polish population aren't really "True Polish".

Poles didn't fall out of a Christmas tree and land between the rivers Bug and Odra. Their forerunners, the Scythians and Sarmatians trace their roots to the Central Asian steppes and that haplotype is also found in parts of Scandinavia. The Polish level is 57, higher than anywhere else except Lusatia which (I believe) is about 60. It is also fairly high in Ukraine and Slovakia forming a contiguous swathe of high R1a territory.

To answer the OP's original question: if there are any paid posters on this forum, the only one that would qualify is Pol3, the OP.

NocyMrok: I would be very hesitant to admit to belonging to any group with you.

In fact it has a Polish copycat version of Honneur et Patrie.