Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations

Hmm..your arguments are getting shorter and shorter? ;)

DNA analysis showed that Czechs are mix of Celts and Slavs.

I don't find even 16th century maps very reliable and you place your bet on a map that is 1800 old (where do you think Ptolemy got his data from actually) - those who charted 16th century maps could at least travel the lands they charted

back in the 2nd century AD Poland was mainly inhabited by Germanic tribes - now Poland is inhabited by mostly Slavic population - stop living in the past - accept the now :) -

Binoculars out looking for the Mods. Nope, nothing yet.

I wonder what the European Parliament and Bużek has to say about this latest allegation. He has become a quiet assassin. A dick who gets too much money for doing nothing.

Back to step 4: Denying of historical findings.
Okay...now that we are back to denying of facts there is not much left to say.

Just that..Poles won't get any minority rights in Germany because they aren't one, period!
Germans in what is now Poland deserve and get full minority rights because they are one.


It was still about the question who is where native...

'night! :)

you are too much of an observer Seanus for a Brit - you should be taken care of by the remaining active participants of the Polish UK-expat community ;)

If nobody observed then where would we be? Send the men over, I'm ready for them ;)

You have to take liberties these days and the Poles are smart enough to get a one over on the Gerries ;)

that depends on your definition of ethnic minority ;) hehehe

btw I would think twice, seven-times and seventy-seven times or wait 20 years before demanding any specific rights for Polish minority in Germany - satisfied - looks like I am much wiser than our current foreign minister Mr Sikorski - don't you think Brigitte ;)

God spoke to me just the other day. He had a Polish accent.

God spoke Aramaic.But I am sure He knew Greek.

True, but He spoke them with a Polish accent.

No you dont because:


This is called "self-serving"


Again, protectionist!


But other cultures live differently and they may deficate on your doorstep because its their culture..or they may rape your women because its okay in their culture..is that okay?

You global lovley world doesnt work...look at other parts of Europe and open your eyes!

He might love the world but surely not the Germans or other non-Slavs...

Actually it is very much on-topic: Poles whine if they don't get free Polish-language schools when they live outside Poland but when it comes to foreigners living in Poland, Poles consider it perfectly acceptable that the foreigners can be told who they may and may not live with.

People eventually get back what they give out, sadly a lot of Poles can not understand that.

I do not see why Poles should get minority rights. They should however be able to speak and learn Polish just like in canada or the us. If Germans are treating Poles properly perhaps we should remove minority status for Germans in Poland.

Just expell the remnants too...

Dont whine after losing a war that you started. Polish German relations should be good today, not full of arguing .

Even if we assume for a moment that what you spawn here is possible, these late comers, not necessarily Poles yet, but say almost-Poles, they have mixed with local German or better almost-Germans and together had grown into what is know now as Poles.

Those almost-Germans which left are only distant relations.
Meaning Poles are a real natives of said territories.
It is interesting concept, Germanic tribes plus Romans = French, Germanic tribes plus Celt's = Germans and so on :)

As for the thread topic:
I think that Poles should not have granted the rights of minority in German but all the minority rights of Germans in Poland should be revoked. It is only fair! Parents can organize teaching for their children. Simple!

Okay, I'm meeting with the other Illuminati at midnight at the usual bonfire place and I'm pretty sure I can get the proper German authorities to give Poland all the Bavarians. I was told they are too much trouble.

nonsense, nobody is whining it is issue of bilateral relations !


Well, I for once don't know what are you talking about !


Well, maybe it is Australian experience, for Poles it was different - whatever you give out (a gold coin or a good deed for example) you get back ****.

If you have some problems with offices and people behind the desk remember they are not there to do the job, they are there because they have a connections and are happy that they can sit all day and get pay for that.

You are just a nuisance for them ...

Yea mutli culturalism doesn't work. Lodz be glad Poland isn't multi racial with them having their own neighborhoods, they'd look at you like YOU don't belong there.

Surely if Germany is so bad, they should just come back to Poland?

They are good, save for some moaning and whining every once in a while.

Its not a restaurant I am talking about... its life!

Look, you are trying to stare at me with your own POV, which will never tell you the true story. The fact is that I only commented on making ourselves stronger and more self sufficient to be able to help others, and not ask for basic help from others. In this way we would be contributing to the positive growth of the world, and even be able to solve some of its problems.


Again, you see it all with a programmed mind. But its your life ...


Its the culture of the reckless, the remorseless and the ignorant. There are Brits (the white ones) who would do it aswell after getting all drunk or with a raging heart full of hatred against someone (perhaps even a Pole immigrant) on their doorstep. Its not the culture of the civilized and properly educated (morally and technically/academically) who can come from any color/religion/linguistic background or origin.


It does work, the world is increasingly becoming a global village and the night is darkest before the morning comes. I believe in this and will always believe in it. The innate goodness of mankind is much stronger than the temporary darkness which some people wish to be obsessed with.

There are successful people of all origins in UK and USA and other parts of the developed world. In such a scenario, it is better to look at the good things in life rather than dwell in the stuff which we know should not have been there. It all needs a united effort from every decent individual for an aggregate good life on Earth. For this purpose, we all can begin from our homes and then to the community and thus eventually make our contribution to the society and the world ... all of those are common to all of us - a global family.

I am always in favor of good, educated and decent people ... including immigrants who would prefer to own a country for themselves and serve it better. When I speak in favor, mostly it is the genuine students who are more prone towards integration (but we must allow the integration too by bring friends and creating a positive atmosphere).

The labors or the workers are never my goal. Highly skilled workers are welcome though.

I'm also always critical on thorough medical checkups become letting someone in. Infact I attended a seminar on this issue, and we were all in favor of good people to share lives with us! Not against ... and there were friends from countries like Egypt, India, China, USA and some South American nations attending that seminar.

Its just that thinking in an extreme way is not the only answer ... there are points of balance in between.


I pray the germans should prosper...

I am married to a non-Slav.

The German Media does things against Polish people that if they were done about Blacks or Latinos in the U.S there would be a huge outrage.

Polish people in the entire West have no rights.

It is disgusting. Because it is taught to treat minorities good in many nations they often neglect Poles & thus alot of kids growing up thinking it is acceptable to be prejudice against Poles & Not against other minorities.

What Western Europeans have done has made me sick to my stomach.

We have Turks & Morrocans & Pakistanis talking over Europe, creating Balkanized societies & causing alot more tension.

I don't really understand why Westerners put these Minorities first.
Makes no sense.
But, Nothing Western Europeans do make any sense.

It is not surprising the relations soured. Germans are complete scumbags. No it is not just the Govenrment. When it comes to Russia alot of Russians actually love Poles I have experienced it myself. It is the Government that is the problem.

In Germany today the people themselves are a problem too. Like in the Prussian Trust. Where in the year 2000 Germans came together to create the Prussian Trust to demand reparations from Poland after WW2.

Now, These German Krauts have the ******* balls to demand Reperations from Poland for Prussian families after WW2.

When Poland has not gotten Reperations from what Germans did in WW2 to Poland like the 6 million dead in Poland the up to 10 million enslaved, up to millions raped, 500,000 Blonde Polish babies kidnapped.

With of course Polish cities destroyed & over 50 percent of Polish Treasure, Art, Historical books ect have still not had reperations.

These filthy Krauts are demanding Reperations from Poland for Germans having to leave Prussia?

Well, Why don't we Poles tally up every damn time Germans have ****** us & We would have to only demand that Germans give Reperations then they would have to give us their entire nation.

We will start with the Partition of Poland when Germans stole these Polish lands to begin with & when they Stole a nation from existance.

It was pretty much Germany vs Poland in the Partitions.
Reason being that Catherine the UNgreat was a a German Prussian who made Poland cease to exist in the East.

under Russia when the first biggest genocides against Poles happened was when the German Kurwa Catherine the UNgreat was in power over Russia.

All of the Eastern Bloc should demand Reperations from the German Government for the German government destroying billions of dollars of Per Captia Income & lives lost due to the Soviet Union

THAT THE GERMAN SCUM CREATED
Germans in WW1 sent the Bolsheviks with Lenin to Russia to create the Soviet Union

Germans are the most vile & disgusting people who have ever existed

I am sick of people telling me not all Germans are bad. It is not Germans fault.

NO All Germans are scum & WW2 obviously clearly demonstrates that. It is not because of Versailes. It is because Germans are Insane, Evil scumbags that WW2 happened.

Not because of Versailes, Not because of them losing land or power.
It is because Germans are a very wrong people.

Hmm,... Beethoven, Kant, Abbe, Hertz, Goethe, Hegel, Leibniz, Gutenberg, Bach, Cranach, Duerer, Kepler, Stoss, Agricola, Benz, Diesel... the world would be a pretty boring place without such insane, evil scumbags.

And more than 2 mio Poles are actually quite happy to live in Scumbagland, otherwise they would return to Polska.