Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations

There are some more millions of Poles over the centuries...a name with "ski" and "itz" is quite common in Germany...it was a General Blaskowitz who led the invasion of Poland in 1939.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Blaskowitz

They are still not a native minority!


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_election,_November_1932


Of course...no Germans left at all!

And as the proud slavic/polish tribe looked around in the new land there were no towns, no villages, no people left in that squeaky new land...where people have lived for 3000 years already (not to mention the Celts).

Gawd, how stupid can one be! You really still believe all that propaganda, don't you!

Blaskowitz is not a Polish surname - it is a place name derived surname but not Polish - however the place name (Blaskowitz) could have been Polish (but could have also been Pommeranian, Weletian, Sorbian or even Polabian)

Not really. They don't have access to eduction in their language even though they pay the same taxes that allow other people that.

so where do you see of those Germans (you sure Germans not Germanics?) between 600-1200 in Silesia?? in the palms of your hands??


Koala after some reasoning it is stupid (at least now) to demand minority rights for Poles in Germany - as far as I know there is little call for that from the said minority actually - so why bother create yet another tension in German-Polish relationships

Again, stop being full of crap. The appearance of Huns caused a mass migration that pushed European nations southward and westward. Germanics deserted those territories. You really are full of crap or German history education is much worse than I expected. You never heard about Vandals' epic journeys? or Goths'? etc.

Don't be shocked now - still there!


When Poles emigrate in masses to the US, UK, Germany or elswhere...does that mean there are no Poles left in Poland???

You only wish these lands to be Deutsch rein to be not having to see yourself as the invader, the conqueror...nooooo Poles don't do something like that, they are preferable the victim! These lands had to be empty as the peacy Poles walked in!

You do the same with german Silesia...denying the german heritage and contribution in these lands...again the same old propaganda!

...sorry...there are others who know better!

Which countries allow immigrants education in their own language?

If you are German and move to Poland you can attend to German-speaking school that is funded by Polish government.

Good point! I never heard of such country.

That's not the same....they still have to learn polish as the main language as polish is the lone official language.

still where - and who - some Germanic vampires?? survived 1400 years in caves around Tarnowskie Góry (wonder what Tarnowskie Góry was called under Prussian rule)

have you ever heard of Germanized Poles/Slavs in Silesia - because i can tell you most of those who remained in Silesia after the WWII were Slavs not nearly thoroughly germanized (there were true Germans left (who spoke no Slavic) but their number in the matter of whole Poland was maybe 100 thousand (at the very most) and guess what - they were not indigenous people dating back to 600 AD )

Well in Spain, there is a 3 tier education system:

State School - lessons tought in Spanish
Semi Private - lessons tought in Spanish / English
Private - UK curriculum tought in English

So there you go...there are countries that it exists...you need to be clearer in your questioning

Also India has a large private education system that teaches only in Gods own language :)

There is no german history left in Silesia....you did well on that, congratulations!

Just...stop at that thought the next time you want to demonize Prussia again...

And what about state funded schools?

In private schools you can even learn bird language :)

Its rather funny we celebrate German history in the UK - towns names and Churches well maintained in little villages...Not to go off topic but we rather celebrate our European past rather than destroy it...


As stated lessons are tought in the language of the country, but one can learn anything from Arabic to Urdu in the UK as a chosen topic when one reaches 14 years of age...even before these langs are introduced..My niece at 10 speaks some French, German, Spanish, Italian and German....all learnt at schol

These lands were conquered by Slavic nations (not Poles, Polish nationality did not exist at the time), but around year 1000 western and southern border or Poland was more or less the same as it was today. It had never been German before that date. So yes, we have the rights to call those lands re-gained after 1945, even if they belonged to various German and non-German states in the meantime.

Back to IIIrd and IVth century. Germanic tribes mostly deserted those lands in pursue of richer Roman occupied territories, so it's kind of their fault for not maintaining feasible population in their lands.


I never did such thing.

We Poles must make our country strong enough to not only find work here, but also allow others to find work and make a living.

Good luck to Germany ... but for Poland, for Poles, it is our country which can always make the final deliverance to all our interests!

The Horizon of Poles is no longer confined in a region or a continent, but to the entire globe ... we need to be more competitive, and HEAR YOU WELL than we are totally equipped to make it big ... or atleast be more self sufficient, only we have to have the right strategies, and a strong sense of national unity.

what period are you talking about - before 600 AD? ever heard of the Migration Period? ever heard of the Hunnic Invasion? Slavs were not a power enough in 600 AD to conquer anything - the areas of the present day Poland must have been severely depopulated (Vandals started their migration from southeastern Poland and ended up in Algeria and Tunisia - have they left any settlements along the way? (I mean any resident populations) - they were perhaps accompanied by the Sillingians from the Silesia (yes the Slavic name of Śląsk comes from the name of the Germanic tribe who inhabited the area)

What language is it? ...

who said there was no German history and contribution to these lands - me? - no I haven't - it is you who can't believe in most obvious concepts because they don't fit your view - (Germans always present in Silesia - hmm where's the trace between 600 - 1200 AD - and how logical it is given known different historical facts (Slavs inhabiting all lands around) )

Not "you" damnit....Poles...as in generalizing and stereotyping...:)


ROFL
How logical is that the slavic tribes came into an empty land that was already populated for more than 3000 years, first by Celts then by Germanics....where towns and villages had been build for fucks sake!

How logical is it to assume there was nobody left as even at today big migrations show there are always many people left and staying behind!

Your logic is pro-polish only! And yes, in that regard as in denying german presence/german heritage you follow full well in the polish propaganda foot steps.

Regardless, you shouldn't bring up that subject again. You claimed that it was Polish imperialism that conquered Upper Silesia after WWI, when in fact it was native people living in Upper Silesia that were fighting German state without support (official or otherwise) of Polish government. You were proven wrong, time to move on.


Today's big migrations are nowhere near comparable to migrations of those times (well, in relative terms, there are much more people nowadays).

What...do you want to tell me what I can say and what not?

Anyhow...Silesia will sort itself out again, now that the borders are open, people can move and mix freely... that also counts for the whole of Mittel Europa :)

I told you what you should not do, not what you cannot do.
should =/= can
I think the equivalent of should is in German sollen, of can - koennen.

What...do you want to tell me what I should say and what not????

Really? What happened to your little ideal world of no boarders and a global village? All of a sudden you become patriotic? Surely in your little world there isn't an "our" interests..It's in everyones interest? (its all a bit David Brent here now!)


Blimey you make the Yanks (no offence) sound rather unpatriotic with that speech...

And the Hypocrite of the year award goes to.....................

what towns? - where do you see their remains? - were they 50 000- poeple towns? - or rather like 2000 or less inhabitants completely wooden towns - and villages - a couple of huts here and there probably - the agriculture back then would not allow for greater populations BB if you don't know it yet - again Vandals (perhaps the whole tribe - perhaps the greater majority of them left south eastern Poland in the Migration Period - I don't know the exact reasons - by they had some if they ever considered leaving - was it because of harrasement by the Huns- was it because the Roman Empire was collapsing and Germanic tribes moved into its borders which started the westward movement of all Germanic tribes - perhaps - I am not that informed - I just read here and there - and some things make more sense than others - maybe some plague was involved - American settlers in the US settled largely depopulated areas (or very sparsely populated areas) because plagues brought by Europeans (infectious diseases decimated the previous native populations

Guy got something polish along the way, its been in his biography but there's more interesting names.

acepilots.com/german/nowotny.html

Essentially there was a f*ckton of Poles and Germans in each others armies on all levels, there's more than a fifty German generals with polish roots, more than 10 polish generals with german roots (Orlik-Rueckermann) a third of Germany's top scoring aces had polish roots.

You dont need to go ahead with your award ...

I do still believe that the world is one, but you cannot comprehend a deeper structure in that. It is like this: The city you live in is yours, but also your home is yours. If you keep your home clean and functional, you can go ahead and contribute to the development of your city and its residents. In your home can come new members, but still this home should function properly, grow and cater to new needs. It is important to be self sufficient.

I have never been an anarchist. You just need to come down from the "extreme" view point of anything, and avoid coming to conclusions.


A modern, self sufficient and prosperous Poland would be in everyones interest.


I don't understand what you mean here. To say that "we should be self sufficient and progress towards a stronger economy" cannot be something prejudiced or fascist.

The question is looped in a way that is impossible to answer. Though I assume that the first 'what' doesn't exist, then yes, I'm telling you what you shouldn't do in this case. That's why this question exist, so that people can inform each other what behaviour is advised/most fit in certain situations. And I'm telling you not to bring up Polish/German/Silesian matter on Upper Silesia, because you were proven wrong in the past and now you're falsely accusing people of denying past German existence in Silesia.