Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations

They should deport them too..."native minority" WTF!!!

Or maybe it's just easier to keep their Polish identity to themselves. After all, as we're witnessing,
openly admitting your Polishness and demanding your minority rights is treated according to hitlerite
law in Germany in the year 2011.


And 62.8% of them declare to speak Polish "very well". Interesting.

Anyway - I'm waiting impatiently how BB will explain why it is not OK to grant Poles in Germany
minority rights, whilst it is OK to grant the same rights to Sinti and Roma :-)

Maybe he will explain to me that Roma and Sinti are more native to Germany than Poles are :DDD


LMFAO

:D

The German minority in Poland has lived there forever. The lands occupied by the Red Army and the Polish administration have always been German. The Polish economic immigrants in Germany - that is different story.

The Sorbs are a Slavic minority in Germany since always. Would you categorize the Polish economic immigrants in the Ruhr likewise?
They have the same rights as any other EU citizen in another EU country.
What are you moaning about?

I apologize...that decision was surely made by the same lefty idiots who decided that every Aisha and Mohammed has the right of german citizenship and threw german ID's at everybody and their grandmom.

Not my decision and totally stupid one!

Again, this is coming from a starry-eyed (handsome at the time) kid that was loving all things Polish, and made no attempt to hide it.


Which is really interesting because the only people that I came across that spoke Polish were immigrants. Again, not a scientific study, but interesting nonetheless. Some of the folks were close family friends, no Polish to be heard...


In my opinion, a gross mistake, despite the fact that they've lived in Germany for the last 600 years. There should be no minority groups, neither in Germany nor in Poland.

Two little words: "always" and "forever" - you should be very careful with using them :D


1772 - that's about 12 generations, isn't it? If those twelve generations are not enough to consider
a minority to be a native one, then how many is? 15? 17? 20?


I'm not moaning - I'm openly speaking against nazi, hitlerite law against Poles, which is still enforced
in Germany. I don't like nazism and hitlerism in general, and I always tend to criticize it. Sorry :-)

What do you mean with that?

The partitions don't exist anymore...there is Poland now, Prussia don't exist anymore, german Silesia and Eastprussia is polish now...the Poles immigrated in masses into the Ruhrarea during the late 19th century....

Which law AGAINST Poles? You want a law enacted to grant minority status, not vice versa.

No need
It if I lived in Belgium and told them:to stop that nonsense with Flemish, you are all French anyway- why don't you stop pretending ?I just wonder what their answer would be eh?

All the things you mentioned were factors in creating a Polish minority in today's Germany.
Of course, we can argue like this forever, but at this point is seems like a waste of time,
so let's wait and see what will our governments agree to in the coming years.


The law abolishing Polish minority rights, that Poles had in Germany and which were taken away
from them by the nazis in 1940.


No, no, no - you got it all wrong, herr Convex. Not granted but restored.

They were assimilated like the French Huguenots, the Czech protestants... and the Olędrzy.

Restore the old borders and you will get your minority rights! :)


So you Poles plan to nag about it in the future too?

Maybe we then should really immerse ourselves more in the ex-german lands...financing separatist organizations and so on, invest in pro-German activities etc, supporting a growing German minority....we can play this game too! *glares*

I take sides against the Świętokrzyśzka Brigade. Although you might have liked them :)

Statist! It probably would have been reinstated had the areas in which the Polish minority were living were still part of Germany...


Why? What do Poles achieve by being declared a minority? And, for bonus points, how are Poles being discriminated against?

Didn't care much for the Kempka comment eh? I quite liked it :) A "Pole" in the SS drove Hitler around... and a Pole (Gerda Daranowski) was Hitler's personal secretary surely typing up all kinds of terrible things against her fellow countrymen...

See, I think they were Germans, despite their ancestors. You think they were Poles. Bizarre world oh oracle of the North.

Have you been to Lithuania to verify this claim? It looks like Poland in the end will make a lot of enemies but not friends. And of course we have to remember that elections are coming in Poland :D

That's what you think. The members of Polish organisations in Germany - the descendants of those
people, kept their Polish identity, but of course they assimilated too and are generally hard-working,
law abiding citizens. Looks like they are paying the price for assimilating too well - they look like
Germans, walk like Germans, talk like Germans, so they have to be Germans, right? :-/


You mean you want to give us back Berlin and all the old Slavic lands as far as the Elbe river?
Naaaah - you keep them, BB. As a token of eternal Polish-German friendship :)

I don't see that way. I see as you are trying to impose your standard and prejudices onto Poles. Also when their interest is at stake you often than not take the stand against their interest.

Watch yourself! :)


Had grandpa there, do you have problem with that ?

"Would have been"... "had the areas"... "probably". Yeah, yeah - the conditionals are a cool, but
I prefer hard facts, and what the facts are we can all see. So, SAY NO TO NAZISM - RESTORE POLISH
MINORITY RIGHTS IN GERMANY! :-)


Friends, schriends - we are Poles, we don't need friends. White Eagles on our battle flags are our friends :-)

Nah...take it...the native Germans might then stage uprisings for their independence and drive you out till Russia! :)


Restore the old pre-war borders and we have a deal! :)

But as usual, you Poles are all about taking and demanding only! Never giving...

Hard facts are that the Polish minority areas are now called "Poland". Was it wrong to take it away at the time? Of course. Was it wrong not to reinstate them after the minority areas became part of Poland? Puhlease...

OK, that'll be enough sh*t stirring on PF for today, I think. I'll be back with more wit, humour
and irresistible arguments later. See ya, nazis. ;-)


I can give you a hug, BB. We're friends, remember? ;)

Yes! and more, if it comes to Poles rights in Lithuania you will not be able to sell me your fairy stories.


Lithuanians ain't Polish friends anyway - their choice!

Do you know the difference between rights and privileges? Were the rights rudely violated, Lithuania would have faced some sort of penalty by EU.

Of course, like Ruhrgebiet for example - a part of Poland now, no doubt (a hard fact) :D

Wer ist Polnischer meister? BVB Borussia!!!
Wer ist Polnischer meister? BORUSSIA BVB!

:DDD

Sorry... couldn't resist - now I'm really out of here.

See ya, you bunch of Hitler supporting, Pole hating, SS pricks.

hehhe - like Germany and France for subsidising their ship-building industries :)

*goes into position*

Now HUG!

:)

And again, those people consider themselves Cheeeerrrman. Otherwise, why wouldn't they acknowledge that they're Poles?


Goodbye fascist-statist whiner! Man, whatever happened to that Polish sense of pride? Sad...Sad...

Say hi to the family :)

Right which were agreed upon, and which Lithuanian minority in Poland enjoy fully. Why isn't there not penalty?Beats me, I think they should be punished and the Lithuanian minority rights in Poland withdrew.

do the Polish people, with kids, lament the lack of access ?

i think not. most of the folk i know in berlin have their kids in german schools for a reason.

in berlin there is a school for Polish kids, but it works under a different system. it is only there for kids to pass the matura. some kids who have a chance to go there... don't.

the reality is that most kids will stay on in germany and will never need Polish other than to talk to rellies.

it's not 1991 anymore. the rules have changed

What rights does Lithuania violate? How is polish minority discriminated?