Restoring the Port of Elbląg?

LOL ! Half million m^3 of stuff have to removed each year to keep port in Szczecin (70km from the sea) available for 9m draught ships, these are not Norwegian fiords, each port in Poland needs to have their waterways regularly maintained.

Świnoujście would be a much better bet. Not least because of access to much larger markets.


Yes. The ecosystem of the lagoon and spit are fragile enough already. I can see any development of the port at Elbląg becoming another Dolina Rospudy.

Can't you understand that there is a slight difference between maintenance and doubling the depth. Or do you need an expat to tell you that seven times before you get it!

Although to get Elblag to the depth where it can handle 9m draught ships year round, they'd need to quadruple the depth. Good old Greggy, you've really thought this through, haven't you!

Harold, you are really a special needs individual :))) Let me help you a bit, it's not really that important by how many % depth would have to be increased or If depth is doubled, what really matter is the actual amount of work and that seems to be not much bigger than what is done on Szczecin-Świnoujście waterway annually.


No one has ever suggested that.

It's back :)))))))

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Bogu niech będą dzięki! At long lost. That will give de-portified" Elbląg a new lease of life. Relying on an outlet to the Baltic on the Russian side of the lagoon is an iffy proposition. They can always find some pretext to deny Polish vessels access such as temporarily closed for repairs just as they used alleged "health concerns" to boycott Polish food imports. You can never trust sa Rooskie!

Really? Do explain how Russians can deny Polish vessels access to Gdynia and Gdansk ports. I'd love to hear about that.

And after you've done that, perhaps you can explain where the PISed-up regime are going to find the funds to cut and maintain the channel, upgrade the port infrastructure, build rail facilities and drastically upgrade the road connection. There won't be any money at all from the EU for a project that will destroy a Natura 2000 site.

And when you've finished explaining that, perhaps you'd care to tell us what kind of company would prefer to send goods from Elblag port rather than having them driven for less than an hour to the proper ports of the Tri-city where the goods can be put onto bigger, better and cheaper ships.

It will be a typical PiS project - it will make lots of jobs for the boys, nothing will actually get built and vague excuses about "PO/KOD/Petru/some farmer in Dolnoslaskie stopped us" will be made.

The fact that it's a Natura 2000 site will guarantee that it won't go ahead.

Apparently the PISed-up regime are not worried about the fact that the site is protected. The maritime and inland waterways minister says that "it's only one species of bird really".

However, the fact that it's a Natura 2000 site does guarantee that there will be no EU funds at all for any of the work related to this pointless idea. And that means that for three billion zloty spent on things related to Elbag port, ten billion zloty cannot be spent elsewhere (because the three billion could attract another seven billion of EU funding).

Who but the PISed-up could think it's a good idea to spend three billion zloty on something that is completely useless and not needed at all but means Poland can't spend ten billion zloty on things it does actually need!

Who needs new roads/railways/expansion of ports when you can have vanity projects designed to give many of your friends highly paid jobs for years? :D

That would be PO style action just like setting up organizations to "build" nuclear power plant with "jobs" paying 100k a month for PO operatives and not a single thing done for year.

Notice how Greggy tries to take every single thread about PiS incompetence/corruption onto PO.

Take your paid activism elsewhere. This is about PiS setting up yet another initiative to plunder the nation on behalf of people that support Kaczyński.

I was talking about past facts, you were talking about big nothing.


The whole concept is much older than PiS.

The Elblag port project isn't even a vanity project, it's based on pure stupidity and appealing to Russophobia.


Well, it's now clear to them that they have no more than three and a half years, as the next election is already lost (and most probably the one after that too), so they really need to get their PISed-up nose as far into the trough as possible and grab what they can while they can.

Sweet Michnik, so isn't PiS pro-Putin anymore ???

Of course they are. This "project" provides jobs for the boys while not doing anything.


Yep, nothing like putting forward a blatant Russiophobic public image while actually doing everything pro-Putin in the background.

Amazing that people are so stupid that they believe this.

JK's and AM's generation _understand_ a world in which Poland is dominated by the Russian state, that world made sense to them (even if they chafed under the domination). Modernity and the prospect of Poland being a relatively independent and relatively prosperous country in Europe scares them because it's not anything they understand.

Of course they'll return Poland to the Russian sphere of influence if they can - the same way that children beaten by their parents grow up to abuse their children, recreating the conditions of abuse give them a sense of security.

So far grandson of a Wehrmacht soldier made Poland a puppet state of Germany. That's a fact, the rest is your black PR about what PiS will allegedly do.

When you think about that, it, unlike developing the port of Elblag, makes perfect sense: the blatant Russiophobic public image attracts their core supporters and encourages them to vote, while the lean towards Putin gives business opportunities with companies who think it perfectly normal to put ten percent of the value of any contract into a Swiss bank account.

I think anti-semitism and homophobia are key elements behind developing the port of Elblag. Must be that, no other way :))))

Well, it must be said that your explanations make about as much sense as spending three billion zloty on a port that is less than an hour away from far better ports which offer cheaper access to cheaper and better ships and at the same time means Poland can't spend seven billion zloty of other people's money on things it does actually need.

Who is going to paid for this port? I find it really strange. Its like two homeless penniless beggars arguing about what they should order for lunch. Since neither can pay, whats the point. Every time someone from the cabinet opens their mouth, it creates more panic for the markets and the zloty.

Who are these, D. ?