Restoring the Port of Elbląg?

It's actually the figure from the link which you put in your very first post in this thread.

You do realise that in order to make Elblag even remotely viable as a seaport, they would have to do almost total renovation of the port (including a huge amount of dredging), rebuild a railway bridge, build some locks and build the canal. It would be expensive, expensive work.


By people who have no idea what large projects cost.


No. No-one would trust the municipality to actually spend the money on what it's supposed to be spent on.

But since then other figures have been floated. Maybe they could get the army, boy scouts and volunteer townsfolk to do much of the digging for free. Where there's a will, there's a way!

But there's no will.

Oh and while boy scouts can do many things, large-scale construction projects tend to be beyond the range of their penknives.

That might have worked with the Panama Canal, but these days?


You forget about something called "money".

Volunteer labour doesn't cost a dime, soldiers do what they're told and scouts are civic-minded sorts...

I've heard many far fetched things from you Polonius, but this is by far the most ridiculous yet.

Do you think they could also rebuild a railway bridge and dredge the port?

You've really cheered me up with that one. It's a hilarious suggestion, even from a PiS supporter. Why not suggest getting Tinkie Winkie to build a motorway when the Boy Scouts start to tire.

If Donny Boy gave his OK, ways would be found to get it done. What's more, you'd be all for it.

I wouldn't, I'd still call it a massive waste of money and an environmental crime.

Not if the


dig the deep water port. Perhaps the WI can build the approach roads.

A lot of cargo around Baltic is being carried by small ships like this one: balticshipping.dk/fleet.htm and cost of 1 billion is the highest out of many mentioned.


Yes because the expat says so and expats know it all straight away :)))

And there is no suggestion that extra capacity is needed in Elblag.


I don't think any have posted in this thread.

Everybody seems to be forgetting one important thing: the livelihood and wellbeing of the poor people of Elbląg and its envrions.

Does that depend on a pointless deep-water port being built at huge cost?

Poland has enough deep-water ports. It could use a shallow-water port for smaller vessels and there's plenty of those about. Maybe the excursion-boat option could be developed. Or a special economic area declared. Sadly, it seems the politicans have all travelled to Elbląg to further their own politcal ends and will soon lose interest.

Perhaps they could get the Boy Scouts to build a temple of divine providence instead.

That boat cannot use the local harbour at Elblag, not even if the illegal channel to the sea were to be dug.


Not only expats (not that any have posted in this thread), anybody who has two braincells to rub together. Anybody who has two braincells to rub together understands that if Poland did need to develop a shallow-draught port, it would be better to develop one of the numerous Polish ports which already have access to the sea and thus avoid the need to spend hundreds of millions on digging a channel to the sea that would be environmentally disastrous.

Wouldn't it be possible to use the harbor for limited commercial ventures confined only to the Baltic sea. Along the lines north south, east west?

None that cannot be served by the existing ports at Gdansk and Gdynia. And even if one wanted to develop a third port in the area, it makes far more sense to pick an existing port which doesn't need hundreds of millions to be spent digging a channel to the sea which would be environmentally disastrous.

Where ?


It could.

I know it isn't your first language, but read it carefully.

Please stop with the lies Greggy: that boat has a laden draught of 4.2m, Elblag local harbour can only offer 2.5m of depth.

Face it, you've lost this one, several times over.

It can be used already for such - there used to be cruises to Kaliningrad from there for instance. The fact that these cruises no longer run while they still run from Gdansk suggests that the market simply isn't there.

It can be increased and that's what is regularly done on the ways to all Polish ports.


And you won, already when you said that expats know it all straight away :))) You win the prize !!

ROFL!!! Name another port in Poland which regularly has its water depth increased by 70%. Go on!

Wow Harry, are you suggesting Polish Engineers are incapable of dredging 2.7 m from a harbour? Things must be dire there with all the good contractors in the UK.

Of course they can. I'm just asking Greggy to tell us where they regularly increase channel depth by 70%.

70% is an irrelevant figure. The 2.7 m figure is what's important.

Not that I would support the revised port. In principal it would be bad for the environment. Gdansk is not that far away and their isn't that much import / export traffic to justify a new port. Finally, my opinion doesn't even matter, because I don't live there.

And those ports are proven and can be expanded further for a similar price. Swinjouscie in particular could really benefit from being upgraded to take Baltimax ships now that the S3 is well on the way to completion.


It's clear that it would involve the destruction of a Natura 2000 area and therefore is a no-go.