4th Polish Republic may re-emerge

And do you think I should change my views because of etymology? I don't care what negative conotations one can find- I'm more interested in what the ideas behind right and left are. And the left side is simply more appealing to me.

The left had always been abouut revolutionary change, some hare-brained utopias that disrupt the modus vivendi, overturn tradition, create a new set of norms geared to their agenda, the creation of 'a new man', a 'new cuilture', a *brave new world'. Be it the French bloodbath ('be my brother or I'll kill you!'), the bolsheviks and Nazis. waging race warfare or class warfare in pursuit of some illusory 'better tomorrow' (for Aryans or the workng people of town and country). Also the sexual revolution, hippy counterculture, the capitalist 'greed is good' ethic and the anti-globalist upheavals. They all ultimately fail as more and more of their their erstwhile advocates eventually see the folly of their ways. But the amount of pain, suffering and turmoil they cause in people's lives is often irreversible. 'I po cholerę myśmy tę żabę jedli?!' (Why the f*** did me do that?!)

So no, Lenka, .you needn't change your views, but there's nothing sotpping you thinking and analysing things a bit. Your compatriots ave a nice saying: 'Najpierw pomyśl, to nic nie kosztuje!

Sounds remarkably like Jesus and his original followers.

Indeed. Christianity as a whole was rather disruptive to the existing way of doing things.

Wonder why Polonius objects so much to such a thing?

The fact that I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't think and analyse. As I said- I'm left- wing supporter partly because I can't see any conservative party allowing ppl to live their life how they want it (please do note I mean ppl that do not harm others).

As on the topic- I felt bad in Poland when the IV RP idea was going into action and on every election I make sure with my one little, silly vote that it will never happen again.

delphiandomine
Cannot rise above the ad personam gossip level, can we? Remember small people talk about people, medium-size people talk about things and big people talk about ideas. On the PF we are supposed to be sharing ideas and views not small-minded bickering and nitpicking over the real or imagined personal foibles of others.

For your penance, repeat 10 times: ISSUES, IDEAS, CONCEPTS, THEORIES, HYPOTHESES!!!
If you do this for at least 2 weeks, maybe some of it will sink in. Although frankly in your case I doubt it. Pettiness is a pretty hard thing to shake off, innit?

I certainly agree with what you say.


That's because conservative parties usually think they know better what's good for you...

What do you mean by that ? Do they force people to practice religion ? Make sex before marriage illegal ? Can you give actual examples how conservative parties are restricting individual freedom ?


How were you negatively affected ? Were you arrested by CBA ?

Likewise. The thought of a country being run as one giant witch hunt scares me.


I think a quick look at Orban's media policies should tell you all you need to know about what Conservative parties do with power.


The country was a laughing stock internationally. That affected everyone.

Where do we start lol


So, if you were never arrested by SB or any other oppressive branch of PRL, does it automatically mean it was good?

She means that she couldn't live in illusion that all that politics are for politician and that what goes in Warsaw doesn't really affect her. Also she could not think about that. See that world for what it is can be scary.

For example by including religion classes into students final grade ( or GPA) and usualy with harm for the students that do not attend those classes.


Haha, no, I never had to fear that. Rather that the ruling party made my country into a place I didn't want to live in. That was the one and only time I considered emigrating if it doesn't change.


I would apreciate it greatly if you didn't say what I meant.

why not I have a right to comment.Whats more I like it :)


that is a hysterical reaction to propaganda - no shame in that!

And the fact that I didn't like what they did isn't enough? I know you think differently but I didn't react to propaganda- I reacted to the decissions they made.

You are right I think differently. Question of experience I think.

My mother is almost 70 and she still dreads the idea of another IV RP. So what? Will you call your expirience argument again?

I did say age, I said experience..

True but I think you implied it. We do know that we will never agree on politics- at least we still have small talk :)

Was your mum in the PZPR?

So you should tell your mother that she has nothing to worry about: the bitter and twisted Teraz Kurwa My brigade are never going to get anywhere near power again. They'll still attract votes but never enough to form a government. Their vote will shrink as the bitter and twisted die off or do the Christian thing and give up their hate.


I hope you weren't expecting an answer to that question, you won't get one. Anyway, I expect that Polonius has forgotten about any PZPR links he might possibly have once had.

Although it is an interesting point: were foreigners allowed to join the PZPR?

Don't see why not - thinking about the Soviet Union, weren't several of the well known traitors members of the Party in the Soviet Union?


I suspect the idea is on the verge of being condemned to history.

Since this is one of your pet obsessions, YOU TELL US! Was old man K. in the PZPR? LINKS, PROOF, EVIDENCE, on the double, drop everything and provide us with reliable, fully documeted links. That's all we ask. Is that askling too much?

Polonius, are you really so naive as to think that they would let just anyone install anything in the American Embassy?

The evidence is staring you in the face - the man rose from AK membership to a glittering career in the PRL, including getting his children to become film stars. That just didn't happen to anyone.

delphiandomine are you really so naive as to think that they would let just anyone install anything in the American Embassy?]

Ah, so it's just pure speculation, conjecture, undocumented presumption, insinuation, innuendo... Those are precisely the devices used by totalitarian regimes to discredit and destroy people.

it's not truth - how about Henryk Gołębiewski filmweb.pl/person/Henryk.Golebiewski
and other child-actors of Janusz Nasfeter or Ślesicki?

Don't be discouraged. It doesn't have to be true. The poster you responded to is well known for using every opportunity to besmirch, revile and denigrate the Kaczyński Family, PiS, the Catholic Church, observant Catholics and any PF-er he disagrees with, and any pretext he can find to bash them is a good one. When there is no evidence to back up his delirious rants, he provides copious speculations, presumptions and guilt by innuendo. Stara śpiewka!

You appear to be confusing another poster with yourself.

And you appear to be forgetting the line that you have memorised by rote and parrot at every turn: LINKS, EVIDENCE, PROOF, DOCUMENTATION... BLA-BLA-BLA ...Oh, I forgot, you use a different set of standards towards your Bobsy Twin clone.

Given who was running the show behind Walesa in the early 90's, it's a sure fire bet that those twins would have done everything in their power to make things...vanish.

Tell us Polonius, how did an AK man go to being a trusted man in the eyes of the real Stalinists? How? How is it possible?

delphiandomine
LINKS, EVIDENCE, PROOF, DOCUMENTATION...

More insinuations, groundless accusations, speculation, unfounded presumptions, jumping to conclusions and general hot air is unwanted and unneeded on PF, as all (except probably your think-alike Bobsy Twin clone) can attest.