4th Polish Republic may re-emerge

Merged: IV RP (BACK IN 2015)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Polish_Republic

Fourth Polish Republic is a plan for moral revolution and political change proposed by the right-leaning Prawo i Sprawiedliwość (PiS) party in the 2005 general election. According to PiS, the current Third Polish Republic is a post-communist creation whose very foundations must be changed to create a truly democratic state free of the communsit past.

Just to remind those who may not remember, at the 1989 roundtable Poland's communist rulers made a deal to allow a partially free election in exchange for a pledge that there would be no decommunsiation and they would not lose their economic clout. As a reuslt, ex-comies wormed their way into state-owned companies and the privatisation process and retained their influence in various state and public instituions. PiS spoke of an 'układ' (informal arrangement) running the country and compared it to a bridge table at which were seated representatives of previous and current special services, post-communist politcians, big business types and media moguls.

A PiS victory in 2015 will enable patriotic Poles to finish the clean-up started in 2005-2007.

First things first : Polonius, why are you so obviously trolling with this thread? You've started a vast amount of threads over the last week - haven't you posted enough rubbish about politics to last a year on here?

Secondly :


Fortunately, that plan never came into being.


In other words, they want to overthrow the legitimate Third Republic for their own creation. Quite frightening, considering Polish history.


Fortunately, they won't win.

Now, let's discuss the PiS idea of "clean up".


socialistworld.net/mob/doc/2450
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Oh dear.

socialistworld.net/doc/2450

That is what awaits us if PiS ever win power. Treason and corruption - a great combination!

We mustn't forget the example of the former Minister for Sport during the PiS government, who -


bbc/news/world-europe-17739880

This is what the 4th Republic is about - nest feathering, corruption, bribery and treason. No wonder Polonius can't wait - he remembers the good old days!

Delph!
Viva la revolution Viva the fourth Republic!
Down with the lackeys of international imperialism!

Somehow you never mention the PO gambling scam or anything else that would show those crooks up for what they really are.

I edited my previous post.

Perhaps you'd like to comment on the case of Lipiec and why a Minister in the 4th Republic was taking so many bribes? Or perhaps you'd like to comment on why PiS were attempting to bribe people to join them, or one of the numerous other scandals?

they must be in short supply of supporters - did you accept the bribe and then bolted?

He sure wouldn't be arrested If was a member of Tusk's government If that's what you mean.

The topic has nothing to do with Tusk, PO or anyone else that you hate for not letting your Chosen One win.

The topic is the Fourth Republic, and how corrupt it was.

That is your claim which need to be proven.


So now you are telling people what to say and what not to say. They can say whether they want and they do not need to follow your guidance as what constitute on topic post and what not.


Sure it does PO's election platform during the first election of the party put clearly anti-corruption issue and the Fourth Republic concept. Only after they lost to PiS they gradually changed their tune.


that is very presumptuous of you to claim that you know whom posters hate and has no palce in the civilized debate.


I see that you are posting here anti-Semitic stuff quite openly.

Lipiec going to prison is all the proof one needs.


Is it because they don't want to admit that the 4th Republic was nothing but "teraz *** my" in practice?


I don't remember PO talking about the Fourth Republic.

Let's be honest - the IV RP idea was nothing but a way for Jaroslaw Kaczynski to build a personal kingdom. The way that he threw out Marcinkiewicz, the way that he is still very bitter about losing in 2007 - it all points at a man who learnt everything from Daddy.

So check it up.


I would say that it is proof enough as to seriousness of their standing on corruption. After all PO people have been protected even if their deeds have been quite obvious until couldn't be protected no more - like B.Sawicka or Mirosław Drzewiecki and that just tip of the iceberg.


that what some people claim. In practice such policy is perused by PO and their supporters wasn't that Lis who come up with this slogan?

Oh dear. You do realise that he wasn't arrested until after PiS lost the 2007 election?

Proves that PiS were soft on corruption when it concerned their own people.


Again, trying to throw mud at PO when the topic is "IV RP".

just pointing the obvious.


Who arrested him? CBA? Who created CBA? Who was the boss of the CBA at the time? Wasn't he and CBA accused of being politically motivated?

So what? it had noting to do with him being in politics but all with his being in sport.
Will stop buzzing about one namely one person? Whereas it is know that PO people are protected right now.Thats is the point. JK didn't protected his own people when they were guilty,or suspected.


They are swimming in the mud and if you don't see it you are mud blind or is that like i4 says you see what you want to see.

Like Sławomir Ryszard Nowak is experienced mud diver. Mud never stick to him.

Except that it wasn't :))

Suuure.

At least you're no longer pretending to be anything other than a PiS fanboy, Greggy.

Politics is a dirty business, a rough and tumble affair. It ain't for the squeamish and faint-hearted. But becuase of the power, prestige and perks it provides it also attracts random opportunists. Not everyone was or is up to the sterling standards of the Brothers Kaczyński.

It has to be said - one respects Kaczynski for still remaining to be a leader after losing 14 elections.

Poor, clumsy English! Wouldn't 'remaining a leader' have been better?

Sure. D. get over it, "it" stopped working on most Poles.

Is very simply not going to happen. Even with all the mistakes the Tusk government is making, PiS has only improved its support by 0.1%, which is somewhat short of the 15% improvement they need to win.


a) It can't come back: it has never existed.
b) Calling for the over-throwing of the Third Republic is treasonous: I am astounded to see you committing treason.


Isn't that how you describe the neo-Nazis who keep rioting in central Warsaw on 11 November?


It's impossible to finish something that was never started. All that happened in those years was 'Teraz kurwa my' being put into practice.


You mean a party leader who has lost 14 of the last 16 elections and who ordered the attempted bribing of members of his own government and the most unpopular President of Poland in living memory who was only saved from a first round defeat by his plane being flown into the ground as a result of his inability to listen to anybody? Yes, sterling standards indeed.

Still harping on theKaczyński's daddy BS? Your obsessive accusations are based solely on your own twisted prsumtpion (he worked at the US embassy ergo he must have been...bla-bla). Szehter by contrast was a card-carrying member of the outlawed Communist Party out to destroy Free Poland and turn it into the 17th Soviet republic as well as an activist of Stalin's Comintern meant to spread blooy bolshevism world-wide. He did time in prison for his subversive activites v Free Poland. Those are indisputable facts, not your fanaciful presumptions, pipedreams and wishful thinking. Where is there even a shred of evidence incrimianting old man Kaczyński. Sullying his good name seems to be one of your pet pursuits when you're not stalking people with high-power binoculars.

Please provide link-obsessed Harry with some hard evidence incriminating Kaczyński's dad.

No I'm not. I haven't mentioned the man. Clearly you are lying yet again. Are you perhaps lying about what I say because you cannot argue with a single one of the points I made about your claims that the IV RP will be back in 2015? Do you wish us to not focus on your treasonous call for the III RP to be overthrown or on the words you use to describe rioting neo-Nazis? Would you prefer that we don't point out that the government which called for the IV RP was riddled with corruption and led by a pair of buffoons? The answer to all of those questions is very much 'yes'.

It's going to be the sixth election in a row that PiS is going to lose. Or maybe seventh? I already lost my count here. It doesn't matter anyway. It's time for their political retirement, really. At last.

I sincerely hope not. A DuckBoy led PiS is very very good for Poland: it reminds everybody that if we don't work together, the bitter twisted envious scum might get their grubby little paws back on the levers of power and again damage our fine country.

Harry - The reply was to Delph who keeps going on and on about Kaczyński's allegedly nefarious dad. I only threw you in becuase your'e constantly asking for links, so let him give you one and us all that backs up his anti-Kaczyńskite obsession.

But you have already replied to the post in which he refers to Daddy Duck, in fact you have even replied to the post in which he replies to your reply to the post about Daddy Duck.

Now that's cleared up, how about you explain your claims that the IV RP will be back in 2015? Or perhaps you could address your treasonous call for the III RP to be overthrown or on the words you use to describe rioting neo-Nazis? Maybe you can discuss the fact that the government which called for the IV RP was riddled with corruption and led by a pair of buffoons? How about you try to discuss the topic of this thread and not the posters in it?

Treasonous? Haven't you heard that parliamentary democracies vote in one governent, then anotehr. That's normal procedure. IV RP was a PiS project to sweep away the ex-commie vermin and other corrupt entities. No-one was calling for the violent overhtrow fo anything...except maybe Szechter in the 1930s. He wanted Poland to be absorbed as the 17th republic of an aggressive enemy state. There's plenty of evidence of that but none to support Delph's anti-Kaczyńskite rants.

And that is why 70% of the Poles do not vote for the duck.

Not until 2015. PiS will get 39% and will team up with Solidarna Polska (8%) and PSL (10%). PO will get 32%, SLD (13%) and Palikot (5%). Only a PiS-led coalition would be able to form a cabinet. Kaczyński will not be the PM but Gliński will. Kaczyński will be voted the lifelong honorary chariman and elder statesman of PiS and will retian a prominent consultative role.

If the forthcoming IV RP is not to your liking, you're free to leave. Maybe when the votes are coutned you'll be saying: 'Belgium, my fatherland, here I come!' If you still have a country to go back to because I hear it's disintegrating fast.

And will never.