Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma?

In reality a lot of Poles integrate into Russian society with success. I know such Polish families that live in Moscow area for about a century. Speak Russian like natives but define yourself as Poles. Nice people, very intelligent.

But Roma - totally different matter. Here it is well known as street thiefs and drug dealers. Local people trying to avoid them like a plague.

The Nazis managed to murder about half of the Romanis in Europe. In terms of number murdered compared to population size, nobody suffered more in the holocaust than the Romani. An entirely language was killed off! BB's racism is even more disgraceful given that his grandparent's generation were the ones who tried to eradicate Romani from the planet.

So there goes your integrated argument.


For you :p

I think they are a perfect example, Polish culture did not assimilate, the language did not die, traditions are still alive and the identity of being Polish still kicking.

Poland did not exist and now it does because fo the will of the people.


So how do you see integration working?
I guess if it hasn't worked for 500 years, it's not really an issue.
Force them?


Why?


I would say a little from column A and a little from column B.
I just oppose our thinking that anyone who does not think like us is wrong and should be re-educated.

And that's the reason I should just nodd and smile at their asocial behaviour? Maybe even support it?
Explain your logic please....


To avoid the clashes with the natives?

Did you ask yourself why? You think they chose that role/job/life?
Think about it when you see/meet one next time...
The society is simply not allowing their integration no matter what their 'traditions' are.

So the rule of law only applies when it is convenient for you?

Could you explain?

Roma have a reputation as beggars thieves and drug dealers. In stating that you think a little of column a and column b applies, it implies (to my narrow way of thinking) that you would support looking the other way when the Roma are prosecuted for thievery and drug dealing because we aren't being sensitive enough to their chosen life style. For me, the law is the law. If it is an unjust law, than a free society has the right and responsibility to get the law changed. I get that impression from your posts, that you feel this behaviour should be tolerated in society.

Erm...I would also look the other way if non-Roma are prosecuted for thievery and drug dealing...

Am I now a Nazi? ...just to make sure...

There is lots of opportunities to integrate into much beter position in society. Some Romas use it, but vast majority simply don't care. Most of them consider yourself "too good" for hard work.

I'm very much of the opinion that the only way to deal with them is to make it clear that they have to follow the law of the country. That means no more refusing to send children to school, no more dubious underage marriages, etc etc. And with it - they can be given help with integration and support to do so. But it needs to work both ways - no more begging on the street with small children, for example.

The problem is also so much in people's minds - for Cuba Libre for instance, it attracts a lot of young women who want to dance. I live here, I know the club, it's a safe place to go and doesn't attract idiots. But - if they allow the Roma in, then the young women that go there will stop going there out of fear for their safety. That means the wealthy men who also frequent the place (and I know a few!) will stop going, because there's now no ladies there for them. End result? Empty club.

Ok, I wasn't as clear as I should have been. What I meant is: it isn't ok to look the other way when one group commits a crime, but persecute / prosecute all others if the same crime is commited if they aren't a member of the first group.

And I ain't even had a beer today...

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of course you are, why do you ask?
:-)

Are you off your head?

I don't mean people can rob you and legally sell illegal drugs.
Nope, not at all.


Now I see the problem.

Of course not!

But Harry for example seems to think because my grandparents generation killed Roma I should better look elsewhere when they commit crimes today...

Tough question!

*goes pondering the burden of being a German*

Not at all, they didn't have anything to integrate into. It didn't turn German/Russian/Austrian. The administrative borders changed. Again, for integration, foreigners coming to Poland right now (or even back in the day as refugees, migrants, that would be a much better example.


No, but Poles functioned within the new structure. Adaption took place. Again, you don't have to lose your identity in order to integrate.


It hasn't worked for some of them. The current system is just fine. Just stop paying them to make babies, and I'm happy. In fact, stop paying anyone to make babies.


Because if not you'll always be complaining about being treated different....

I can't answer for Harry.
My thoughts on the matter are that, the Romani are a peoples of Europe, who live on the fringes of our societies and have been persecuted and have lived separate lives.

The best any of you can come up with is forced integration, which has been tried numerous times in the past and still hasn't worked.

No, it's easy, provide all the help possible to integrate, and prosecute them for breaking the law. Easy.

So, how do we get them to stop? They need income to feed and clothe themselves. Comes from either a) owning a business, b) gainful employment c) sponging off the government / society or d) illegal ventures?

Seems that c) and d) are the main choices. So, how do we get them to stop?

No...I gave the example of Bremen.
They issued a law against giving money on the streets to minor beggars. Soon after the begging women with their children vanished out of the town.

They keep their culture and their way of life - but not in Bremen anymore. What's wrong with that?

Berlin did go another much disputed way...the Senat paid for a clan of homeless Roma (around 100 members) a middle sized hotel...from our taxes btw...

You can see the problem with me but not the Roma? :-)

Everyone should be prosecuted for breaking the law of the land.
Why are you guys thinking that I say Romani should be exempt from the basic laws, I have never thought that.


How do we stop people in our own societies from robbing and selling drugs?
if you have the answer PM me, cause I will make millions.

Again I only know about the Irish travellers and they do not fit into any of your a,b ro c labels Shawn, they live on the fringes of our society.

Customs and employment
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Traveller#Customs_and_employment


I never heard of it until just now.


What you want free beer for the Romani too? :)

Don't worry ;)


That is not possible if we use the same definition of integration.

What constitutes their identity?
1.
2.
3.

How is that identity preserved with integration? What is left of those 1.,2.,3.?


I agree with you. Hard lives.
But... unfortunately that is part of their identity. it's same everywhere.

I will give you a one month head start before I publish the answer on the forums...


Well it is enough of a concern to Canadian society to keep the Roma from our cities and streets. We have a visa requirement for Czech citizens currently in place, aimed at the Roma. They are considering lifting the requirements, and there is great debate about it.


No, they will just steal it from your bar fridge ;-)

No, it means that you should stop being a racist fuccktard. Do Romani commit crimes? Yes, of course some of them do. Do Germans commit crimes? Yes, some of them do? Does that mean that all Germans are criminals?

One thing that can be said about the Romani: at least they've never committed genocide. Stealing nine million wallets is a trifle when compared to murdering 9 million people.

No,but come visit me in Doncaster,I can introduce you to these so called ethnic minorities...


Not in England they're not !


Most of the "Romany" people did slide into filling a gap in British culture and many many of them are well integrated in wider British society.

youtube.com/watch?v=YInWq7qt4PA


What, Magyar?


Yes.


Yes.


Rubbish. Some just have different ideas of food preparation similar but different to the way observing Jews store and prepare food....


Untill Romanias borders opened this was EXACTLY how they were seen in Paris....how do you square dancing singing and performing as not cultered though????If that was your meaning..

But annoying nonetheless...

And please tolerate my fucktards way as you do with the Roma ways! Stop being so intolerant against us Germans! I feel discriminated because of past crimes! How dare you!!! :(

Thats why he enjoys hanging out with trailer trash - it all goes down to your childhood...

youz Normans are the blow ins compared to the Irish travellers, it's a question of timing :p

Oh I have to show you this for your use of Pikey dirty tinker just for fun :)

youtu.be/331YmwuQUGU

I'm not discriminating against you because you are German and I think that Germans commit racist war crimes: I am discriminating against you because you are a racist (and your views and comments mirror both those of Nazi war criminals and their apologists).

When did I demand re-education camps or ovens for the Roma?

Heh:) You wouldn't know a real Nazi if he kicked you in the ass!