Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma?

Forced sterilization is insane and very big discrimination.

I like the other ideas which I marked in bold.

Once you give them education, introduction to good life ... a job after they grew up in the hostels (with all facilities, and educated meetings with their parents under supervision and regular intervals) ... and then ofcourse, education of everyone that they are one of us. They deserve equal respect and love. The good aspects (only the good ones) of their culture and ways must be introduced to our children too ... so that a warmth can be created in either side. They can interact more ... and flourish along with Europe.

Sounds great. You are one of the people who call themselves "lovers of humanity" (i.e. you sound like a Stalin or Pol Pot in the making).

A "Roma-Jugend"...


...and he doesn't even get it....

I wish him luck.....
My elderly aunt had her purse stolen by such people in a supermarket, it really effected her, her health deteriorated, she lost her self confidence and suffered a stroke.


I don't want my children to learn how to thieve and cheat

She should have loved them back...

(Sorry for your aunt)

Its not about want ... its about NEED. They need to get educated and brought to the better ways of life for an aggregate good. Go look how Libya dealt with this problem when similar groups were more interested to live in tents... but steps taken assured a better lifestyle, and now they live quite well.

It is important that we understand that humans internally to take development in them, once it can be responsibly and tactfully provided. All kinds of steps should be taken only with their long term benefit in mind, as well as the long term benefit of the entire nation among whom they are a part of.

Living real is this ... anything which considers someone as unable to develop or unable to take in good things is what seems "UNREAL" to me. It depends on how you see humans ... I see each human as having a soul and a heart equally as me, in which God would reside. The matter is, how to deal with the problem correctly for GOOD OF ALL ... and there are obviously ways if you believe in yourself, and really do love and consider for them.

But the stuff you bolded is equally inhumane. Part of Canada's shameful past involved removing native children from their parents to "educate them, etc" and it turned into a great Canadian Fiasco.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system

...add the Aboriginies children in Australien to that "nice" policy...


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations

Mind my words, guys... You will one day read this and more in a big political manifesto written by our Lodz and you will be very afraid... :-/

Benefit of the entire nation? The good of all? <shudder>

As even your Nazi ancestors had to agree: Romani are Aryan people.


How interesting to see you using pretty much precisely the same line as that used by the German government to justify their refusal to pay any reparations to Romani people despite paying in to Jews: "It should be borne in mind that Gypsies have been persecuted under the Nazis not for any racial reason but because of an asocial and criminal record."

Perhaps you can find us a Final Solution to the 'Romani problem'?

That is wrong ... God bless her soul. Many people died in many atrocities carried out by much more mad people. Rape, murder, deception ... all has been done by Europeans of various countries... many times in masses with their flag in their hands.

While all prayers go to you grandmother ... to outright hate them and to discriminate them ... or to consider them a necessary evil is not the solution, but a bigger part of the problem.

The solution is through policy and its proper implementation ... with proper monitoring and strict focus on the final goal. Whether it makes 20 or 50 years, a time line need to be set. The biggest problem is in the willingness and basic understanding of some people to realize the value and capability of every human being/nation/society. It needs warmth and love and a trust.

and well intentioned....

probably the last words of many a Christian missionary before he ended up in the cooking pot

No I haven't a solution other to drive them out soft...with making it hard for them to cheat their way through....they will then leave on their own...

I've heard that the demons are afraid of the cross...

In anyways ... there are many organizations which share my ideas in Europe ... in Poland ... in Lodz. Plus, yep, I would love to go to any extent for the good of people, and a common human race (thats the final goal) ... however the good people people under laws and independence as designated as per required is important.


Last time u guyz tried those kinds of ideology was not enough eh?


It doesn't matter if a person utters those words and end up in a cooking pot or a cross. The Word prevails ... and salvation does come.

However, as a woman, show a more graceful heart (personal opinion). Don't take it otherwise I hope.

How strange that you overlook the PhD thesis "Lebensschicksale artfremd erzogener Zigeunerkinder und ihrer Nachkommen" by noted Nazi anthropologist, Eva Justin.

Could it be because most of her subjects were dealt with in a way of which you approve for Romani?

Here she is scientifically assessing a Romani's Aryan-ness:

Now its Nazi references... who gives a bloody damn about aryaness.

Does your conception of femininity not pass the same "who gives a damn about..." test?

Lodz, it is up to them to want to change. And we all know leopards can't change their spots.

Well...they are back...., eh?


Lodz the boat's idea....not mine.
He want's to re-educate them "artfremd".....

I just want them to behave social not asocial as most of them do. If they can't or won't do that they better leave...

Every community has the right to shuck out asocial members. If that is Nazi....so be it!

Femininity is not Naziness. Its just an opinion, nothing wrong in it. I am not cursing her or ordering her. Look at the language I used. End of it, its their choice, I've mentioned in somewhere in this thread... maybe on the other page (before this one).

Were you being ironic? cause that doesn't sound like you.

Of course I was, read the link about a social experiment that was tried in Canada (and to BB's point, in Australia) and what a complete and utter failure it was. Later I even pointed out to LTB that the re-education point was a poor idea....


But in either case (your ideal of femininity) and the ideals of nazi-ism, ones opinion of what is right is being imposed on another. Obviously, yours has considerably less consequnece than the ideal of nazi-ism.

It matter to me! I take care of myself and those close to me.
You care about the poor Roma, who have freewill and a choice whether to live an honest life or not, but you don't care bout someone who is killed by cannibals or crucified? I think you're the one who needs help.


My father gave me the same opportunities and same responsibilities he would give a boy, he taught me how to fight and stand on my own two feet, he never expected any less of me for being a girl and I'm grateful to him for that.

While it is allowed to keep their way of life, they do not NEED nor WANT your training, but will readily accept any food/money/clothes/etc that you may provide. Just don't forget to check your purse after you do something good for them.

One very simple thing that you (as it seems to me) do not understand. Culture cannot be changed from outside, it can be destroyed (together with people who carries it) but any attempt to tell people how they should live and which customs they must abandon will be rejected at once. If I'm wrong - why Poland doesn't look like Russia (and vice versa) after so many large scale assimilation attempts from both sides during last millenium? ;)

And this is the whole problem - their way of life is totally incompatible with that of their host countries.

I'm of the opinion that the one failure after WW2 was the complete failure to create a small Roma nation somewhere in Eastern Europe - something about the size of Kosovo would have done the trick nicely. Certainly, they could have used part of Hungary/Ukraine/Romania for it.

Is it really their host countries?
have they not lived here as long as the rest of us, they are hardly new to the area.

I know more about Irish travellers and they are not guests, they are as indigenous as I am.


Next you'll be slicing up Poland ;p

From my limited understanding, many Romani people are nomadic and do not require a country.

Googled it...around 500 years in central Europe...


Still host countries as they are still foreign, not assimiliating/adapting, not integrating in the end.
These countries are not their own nor do they want to be part of these countries, hence "host-countries".

Just recently I read an article in Spiegel about a gypsy village in Hungary...still speaking an outlandish language with the kids needing to be educated in the hungarian language at school start. Most of them live from state handouts and EU help now.

These people lived in this village near the capital for centuries...!!!

Nobody can call the Irish travellers guests in their ''host'' country Ireland, just because they did not assimilate, they are Irish and after 500 years we gotta call them Europeans, no?

I disagree with the idea that they are not indigenous (at this stage) becuase they kept their own traditions.
Sure would we not all be one country if we did not keep our own traditions?

Racism exists everywhere, your real problem is here:

After that banking mess you made???? We really have to think about it...*tries to wriggle eyebrow* ;)

How would you compare the irish folks to the Roma?


Some traditions are compatible and some just aren't....

If all Europeans would do like the Roma do there would be no country either...at least not one worth living in!