Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma?

Where's 'local' to you? I know in Tyneside and the Borders "gadji" is used for a 'bloke'

Erm, I don't think so... Not in Poland at least.
The war, occupation and death camp literature at Polish language classes begins in full swing only in highschool but before that we have history lessons at secondary school.


I was asking what you meant by this:
"I guess Poles have other things to remember on that day..."


Only Polish Jews? And what about the rest of European Jews?
Are you sure about Poles? ;)

Do you seriously not know what happened on 1 August 1944?!

My nephew had classes about Holocaust when he was about 11 (year or two ago)... they all watch "Boy in the Striped Pyjamas" now.

Im going back to the days when I was in highschool in the early 90s,back then there was no "sanitised " way to teach the Holocaust.

Doncaster area.
Do they also use Chaver/chaveh in that area?
Its another english romany word for young lad (Basicaly,young,tracksuit and baseball cap types were called chavers or chavy round here years before the whole "Chav" phenomenom)

We had a huge number of"legit" Romany Gypsys here for decades. Lots had settled but lots didnt and still travelled but always came back to the outskirts of my village. As a kid I remember the real old school Horse waggons,gorgeous things they were.(Im mid 30s)

The Gypsys round here,sure,faced a bit of stick from a minority but most people knew them as nice friendly people.
Then last 15 years or so there has been an influx of really nasty irish pikey families into Doncaster and so many minor thugs that Im sure give a bad name to the majority. This influx of people who are in the main "below the radar" legal wise in many ways coincided with labours excesive Equality drive. Irish tinker/crime families suddenly became a "persecuted ethnic minority" and with this came a general blending of tinker/traveller/gypsy/irish thug into one mass...much to the detriment of law abiding(or more discretly law bending) Romanys.

. Paulina,stop trolling :)

Why Aye, Man.

The word "m1nge" is a Romany word too. I found that out in Macedonia when my mate commented on "all the m1nge" at the local uni and a Macedonian friend said, "Oh, that's like the Gypsy wrod 'M....'" I wouldn't have minded except we were on a bus passing near the Gypsy quarter and the bus was full of old Rom women.

Lol
Yep,theres loads of Romany words in our local dialect,crazy thought that theyd be understood that far east though:)

When we were all kids my brother asked another kid tinker, why they were called tinkers and with a thoughtful expression he replied "it must be because we tink so much" :)


I meant in Poland the main focus was on Poles, Polish Jews and other Jews from around Europe.
Although Ramani were mentioned, I only found out some of the details recently.

What? How come I suddenly started "trolling"? What are you talking about?


1 August? Warsaw Uprising. Why?

I've heard it suggested the word "lollipop" could be derived from Rom words for "Red Apple" (think toffee apples)

Firstly, I do not agree with other members on PF who accuse all Poles of being racist. I know many Poles and none I would consider racist. Furthermore, Ironside: the fact that you do not see anything wrong with people being barred from a public place based on their ethnicity is worrying. Brits,Irish, Poles, Romani - what's the difference when visiting a public house?

And how it looks in the West? What's the focus there? Are the Roma people mentioned?

I am from Ireland.


I already said they were but not in great detail.

Could be,but it also sounds like old navy slang lolli(from loblolli) pop,(poop) ,but its fascinating anyway.
Lol to the " I Tink so much" only works with a begod and begorrah voice though ;)

I do like the whole...Dont say Poland is in eastern Europe ...thing when "the west" seems a catch all for anywhere across the german border stopping somewhere in California :)

Well, that's why I asked you what's the focus in the West...


Oh, OK.


OK, I'm tired and only now I've read carefully this comment ;P
Isthatu2, to be honest I've had no idea when first Roma people were gassed. I also have no idea when first Jews were gassed and when first Poles were gassed (in Auschwitz-Birkenau or any other camp). Maybe I've read about it, but I simply don't remember.

People died in camps all the time so I didn't realise there were some dates to remember (I've always had a problem with remembering dates anyway ;P). I really doubt ordinary Poles or any other nation have such detailed knowledge of the history of Auschwitz-Birkenau camp.

So why the sarcasm?
You think that there's not enough focus on Porajmos?

Generally GB had never a problem with gypsies for the same reason they didn't have one with Jews either.

Completely the wrong end of the stick.

"Pikey" is what I highlighted.

Do you know it's considered as bad as "nigger" ?

Anyway - what can I say? Yes, many are lawless, intimidating, violent - but most aren't. I know a few travellers quite well (and many more in a more casual way) via a friend (social worker)

Roma are the same - most are OK but many are scroungers, scammers, thieves etc. I encounter them regularly too.

Maybe you are not familiar with British history, Jews were interned during WWII.

During World War I the British government interned male citizens of the Central Powers, principally Germany, Austria-Hungary and Ottoman Turkey.[80] They were held mainly in internment camps at Knockaloe, close to Peel, and a smaller one near Douglas.

During World War II, about 8,000 people were interned in Britain, many being held in the same camps at Knockaloe and Douglas on the Isle of Man. The internees included enemy aliens from the Axis Powers, principally Germany and Italy.[81]

Initially, refugees who had fled from Germany were also included, as were suspected British Nazi sympathisers such as British Union of Fascists leader Oswald Mosley. The British government rounded up 74,000 German, Austrian and Italian aliens. Within 6 months the 112 alien tribunals had individually summoned and examined 64,000 aliens, and the vast majority were released, having been found to be "friendly aliens" (mostly Jews); examples include Hermann Bondi and Thomas Gold and later members of the Amadeus Quartet. British nationals were detained under Defence Regulation 18B. Eventually only 2,000 of the remainder were interned. Initially they were shipped overseas, but that was halted when a German U boat sank the SS Arandora Star in July 1940 with the loss of 800 internees, though this was not the first loss that had occurred. The last internees were released late in 1945, though many were released in 1942. In Britain, internees were housed in camps and prisons. Some camps had tents rather than buildings with internees sleeping directly on the ground. Men and women were separated and most contact with the outside world was denied. A number of prominent Britons including writer H. G. Wells campaigned against the internment of refugees

Sorry,wasnt meant to come across as sarcastic,more as you point out,how many people would know dates,especialy with such a date with a more "famous" meaning to most Poles.


Well in that case I reserve my right to use it a la Chris Rock then.
Im not going into details but Ive known too many " Irish travelling folk" to get all sentimental about them.
They are not a seperate race but they are a seperate "culture" and sorry to say its as enlightened a culture as Sharia Islam.


Lol,nice try Jews were not interned for being Jews,quite the opposite,Jews ended up being interned because the British government rightly or wrongly refused to "discriminate" on religious grounds between a Christain german and a Jewish german.


Aye,but maybe instead of just pasting wiki have a look at this "camp" on the isle of man.....hardly a "concentration camp" in the acepted sense....and dont then come back with.."but what about thierasianstadt"....

Only Jews who happened to be from any of the Axis powers nations were interned,no other jews were locked up.......

.. ahh good ole' Europe.. alive and well.

Istahtu2, Who suggested the camps on the Isle of Man during WWII to be concentration camps, I mentioned interned, therefore internment camps, as the vast majority of Jews in the UK at the time originated from Central and Eastern Europe as refugees, these were the ones rounded up. From people I have spoken to, who were interned on the Isle of Man, they enjoyed their time because it was an opportunity to educate themselves.

Yeah,we can all learn lessons from you guys pete
lesson one;
Police community relations;
...
(insert Devil grin emoticon here) ;)
Lesson two;
Education/female emancipation;
youtube.com/watch?v=WALIARHHLII


My miss reading,sorry warszawski...see ^ . Thats why I pointed out the clear difference :)
Dont know if you saw the David Badiel doc' but didnt he point out the hideous coincidence of the refugee's seeing the Manx symbol on arrival in Douglas harbour?

Disagree with you there. Integration is on the table, and lots of Roma do successfully integrate. Those that don't obviously aren't accepted.


Yes, absolutely. If you choose not to be part of the culture, it should come as no surprise when you're not accepted. There's a difference between holding on to tradition and rejecting your host culture altogether.

They should start by sending their kids to schools. Very few parents are doing that and even the ones who start schools they show up three times a year.

Unfortunately, the Jews are the more glamoured victims of the Holocaust and the citizens who ended up being killed, you rarely hear about the gypsies. Maybe this says something about society as a whole.

The Roma are ,generally speaking , a very private people. They rarely talk about the Gypsy Holocaust as they see it as a terrible event of the past,and one that many of them feel,or felt untill recently,was a past maybe best kept quiet so as not to give ideas to the peoples/governments of today.

And,please,without it descending into the usual zionist conspiricy b0ll0x ,there are far more Jewish people with access to the various media outlets,be they news,publishing or film making than there are people of Roma descent.

I read this yesterday (after watching the Channel 4 documentary) and learnt quite a lot. Worth reading.

travellerstimes.org.uk/website/About-Us/Gypsies-and-Travellers%3f.htm

I was sat open mouthed most of the way through that !!!! Either from OMG what is that CHILD wearing/thinking/dancing like......to OMG how can the coppers and bailifs be such twats....

Interesting link,thanks.Though I was a bit puzzled by this "excuse"
"Truth: Just as in any other ethnic minority, some Gypsies are involved in crime. But Gypsies and Travellers say they have been criminalized by laws created to curtail their traditional lifestyle."

Anyone could argue that for cri sake!..
Traditionally my ancestors raided other clans for Cows and Women.....but Id like to see me claiming Ethnic Scots Highland Tradition at my Kidnap,rape and cattle rustling Trial......

or another one
Crime rates can actually go down when Gypsies move into an area.
Yep,because Police Patrols have tripled.......

Harry, anyone can get on a high horse and call everyone names, so why don't you go and adopt a couple of Roma families. Share your house with them, and all that. Obviously, you have a problem with the attitude of some Poles. So why don't you do something CONSTRUCTIVE. Show people the way? Lead them by example?

What's the problem here? Pubs are privately owned and every owner has the right to refuse people he doesn't like. Discrimination is BS.

White guys also get refused sometimes, including myself.
Then why is it a problem if Roma, negroes or other nonwhites get refused?

It would be discrimination if only white people can be refused!
The racism cryers once again prove that their IQ is too low to take part in discussions.