Polish priest caught in hand-of-God action on train in Tri-City area.

it would be removed either way. The risk of being sued is way too high. A fake video showing an RCC priest jerking off is not the same as a fake story about some dinosaur running around woods. You don't see any difference because you hate RCC (probably all religions)


it's funny to you because you're an obvious RCC hater (probably anti Christian, in general).
As far as the rest of your statement, if you achieved just 5% of what I did in my life, you wouldn't waste your time on ridiculing people for their beliefs. Get a life, personal comment removed

I'm done with you and this thread. It's really nothing but a waste of time.

Sued for what?! LOL!

Harry wrote -"Sued for what?!"
Check cases of so called - revenge prn or the copyright status of prnography.

Merged: Polish priest given suspended sentence for molesting girls

Words fail me here.


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3000zl? That's more like a tax penalty than the punishment for fondling little girls. Unless there was some serious doubt that the offence actually occurred, the sentence should be stiffer.

Well, look at where the crime took place. There's your answer.

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What are you talking about? Pope Paul III and the Inquisition are historical fact. Canon Llorente, Secratary of The Inquisition in Madrid, argues that as many as 3 million were tortured/beaten/condemned and 300,000 were burned - in Spain alone. The torture, imprisonment, and murder of intelligentsia, scientists, and people of other faiths is well documented - maybe the numbers are a bit high in some estimates, but this isn't propaganda. That's like saying the Holocaust never happened, even an anti-Zionist like myself can admit that the Holocaust is historical fact. Even Galileo and other academics had a lot of problems because the Church insisted the world was flat and the center of the universe. Do you realize how many popes were either sexually active during their pontificate, had legitimate/illegitimate children, or were even married? It's quite a bit - and here's a few names - Pope Innocent VIII (His name is 'innocent' yet he had 2 illegitimate children one of which became a nobleman and his son later became Pope Leo X - who after his death was accused of homosexuality), Pope John XII (turned the Papal Palace into a ********** - Pope Julius III (accused of being a sodomite, unmarried but had 3 daughters - after receiving holy orders, also had his best friend become a cardinal, Innocenzo Ciocchi del Monte , who was accused of raping many women and even shared a bed with the pope himself which was the cause of a huge scandal at the time), Pope Paul III (several illigitamite children - one of the sons became a duke), Pope Alexander VI - (multiple children with a local Italian woman from the time he became a priest and into his pontificate), Pope Sixtus IV (charged Rome's brothel's a 'church tax', known pederast, homosexual, and child molester - would give out posts in return for sexual favors, loved to watch naked boys dance on tables and watch them bend over and pick up nuts), Pope Benedict IX (inherited the papacy and later sold his title to a family member - murderer, rapist, and possibly even engaged in bestiality according to Saint Peter Damian) .... and there's many, many more... This only includes a few popes - this doesn't even include all the cardinals, bishops, and priests that have similarly done despicable acts. I read the Bible and I go to Church, but until the Catholic Church owns up to its own sins, I'm not going to give a crap about them preaching on about homosexuals, abortion, etc. when their own hierarchy has been engaged in, and covered up, the very same and often times even worse acts.

There may have even been a female pregnant pope, Pope Joan who dressed up as a man and millions viewed her as the top person in the church hierarchy - yet to this day there's no female priests in the Catholic church. Much of what we know about Pope Joan is a first hand account written by Platina, who was sponsored by the same pederast I mentioned earlier - Sixtus IV. Point is, the church did some really really awful things - it's gotten much better but it's still REALLY bad. In the 1990's alone, the Catholic Church paid out over $1billion dollars to settle with victims of sex abuse by clergy. Remember the scandal with Fr. Jay Mullin and what Cardinal Bernard Law had him do?


Exactly, and the women in Poland have decided they don't want Poland to turn into a theocracy and do not want a total ban on abortion.


Yes, absolutely - that is the purpose of church and religion. Nonetheless, you ought to practice what you preach. If even one out of 1,000 priests are engaged in molestation there should be a total outcry - not a cover up. Then people get a mixed message - pretend to be a chaste, humble person in tongue, but a sinner in action. When people see coverups of child molestation by priests, they don't take priests seriously as moral signposts.


Pencils have erasers because people make mistakes. Condoms aren't effective 100% of the time either. Thankfully we don't need to worry about that here as our laws aren't as draconian. However, if that option was unavailable the person it would hurt the most would be the child as neither the father nor the mother would've been able to give the kid a decent life.

Almost and you know it too.


About facts being distorted by propaganda. Sorry I skipped most of what you wrote there about popes as all that have no bearing on the argument were are having here. How hard is to understand it?.


If so why are you getting all worked up and talk a lot about the Church? Bugger off from the Church they are only doing their job. Legislation is Parliament's prerogative.


Oh come on, percentage of pedophiles in priesthood is lower than in any other profession of public trust that is dealing with children. So you to bring some BS of that sort into this subject. The issue here is not what one or other priest is doing or not but to whether or not you are convinced that human life is sacred? If you do ask yourself a question if there is even a small chance that that what some call a cluster of cells is already a human being unformed, underdeveloped but with all the potential already there would you be still so kin to discard it into a garbage. If you don't ....there is nothing to talk about.


What if they hear about it only day and night just because some people who hate Church are yapping about it constantly? Democracy has had made a many mistakes not to mention corruption. The same goes for USA and a federal government and if you talk only about rouge or corrupted politicians or federal or a state employees then the list is endless. Does all those miscarriages of justice, mistakes and crimes nullify a right of the USA to exist or to 'preach' liberalism, democracy and freedom to others?

The same with the church some people won't be taking priests seriously some will but it by no means nullify role of the Church as a moral signpost.


Pencils doesn't have brains and free will. Pencils are unanimated objects and if you say that you rather follow the lead of your little head rather then your brain at least be a man enough to face the consequences. Boys shouldn't be jumping into men activates if they are not ready to face the real life consequences. Some goes for gals .


Sounds like a whinny excuse, money don't make a happy all around child. A great couple does.

What propaganda do you speak of? Earlier in response to my post you wrote - If the Catholic Church never killed anyone, never tortured anyone, never sent children to fight their wars, never molested a child[..]. You can listen to whomever you like. However the CC church done nothing of the sort. I dare say you don't know what you are talking about.


Yes it does because we were debating that the church ought to admit it's own misdeeds before directing what a woman that they've never met should do or not do with their body. How is the Catholic church going to call 'gay marraige' the devil's work when their own priests are having butt sex and fondling altar boys? How is the church going to tell people not to have sex outside marriage when their own clergy is having both male and female lovers as well as illegitimate children? How come they are so against gay people, many of whom want to be included in the Catholic church, yet they won't admit they had a few queer popes. I'm sure you've heard of Senior Vatican priest - Krzysztof Charamsa? There's lots of gay priests - estimates go from 23% to 58% of priests are gay with the highest percentage being young priests. I recommend you read some works by James Martin, SJ (means Society of Jesus by the way - aka Jesuits) or Rev. Donald B. Cozzens on this topic.

Once the Catholic Church comes clean - as they have in the past with other events like their role in killing Protestants, admit their sins, and pray for forgiveness perhaps then they will show to be a better example.

Pope John Paul II was great in this regard because he at least came forth and admitted the sins of the Catholic Church and apologized for them - some of these include the 4th crusade attack on Constantinople, not giving a crap during the holocaust, burning Protestants at the stake, executing Jan Hus, violations of women's rights, AND APOLOGIZING FOR THE WAY GALILEO WAS TREATED - does that fall into your category of 'The Church never did any of those things?' Well, if they didn't then why would Pope John Paul II apologize for them?

John Paul II was also one of the first to apologize for the Church's sex abuse in 2001 - this was I believe actually the first email the pope had sent. He apologized for the way missionaries behaved in Colonial times in China in that same email.

How can you say the Catholic church never did any of those things - murder, rape, molestation, children fighting wars? That's paramount to saying the Holocaust never happened. The Inquisition, the Children's Crusade, the forced baptism of Jews (something that Poland was the first to make illegal) are all historical fact. Perhaps some 'propaganda' overestimated the numbers, but that doesn't mean that these events never took place. If they didn't why would our Polish pope apologize for them? Even the Inquisition's own people later admitted what they did. Perhaps when Galileo stated the Church was constantly harassing him and forcing him into trial it was propaganda too? Perhaps Martin Luther broke away from the Church because the whole story of selling indulgences was that propaganda as well? I recommend you do some reading on these subjects and not just believe what you want to believe and simply ignore things that are contrary to your view.

It's pretty much fact that Bishops in the US knew that priests were engaging in sexual abuse but would just cover up the evidence, not report it to police, or simply move the priest to another area - instead of removing them from the Catholic church altogether.


According to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' Office of Child and Youth Protection and independent studies commissioned by the BISHOPS in 2012: There were more than 6,905 accused priests since 1950, there were more than 16,463 victims identified to date, although there is no national database and a total of $2.5 billion in settlements and therapy bills for victims, attorneys fees and costs to care for priests pulled out of ministry from 2004 to 2011.

I haven't heard of the Chicago Teacher's Union or the Department of Education having to pay out tens of millions to abused students - rather we here of one two, usually pretty hot female teachers, who slept with some 8th grader or freshman who couldn't keep his mouth shut. I don't know about you, but there's a couple High school teachers I would've loved to hook up with.

I've never heard of 6,900 teachers or coaches being accused of sexual abuse since the 1950's - and there are far more teachers and coaches than priests in the US. There are currently about 38,000 priests in the US and about 3.7 million grade school and high school full time teachers. Remember, that earlier statement by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops stated there were 6,905 priests accused since 1950.

The statistics are actually extremely high - and even some Catholic sources admit this - boz.religionnews.com/2014/01/09/startling-statistics/
cbsnews.com/news/vatican-reveals-how-many-priests-defrocked-for-sex-abuse-since-2004/ - The Vatican revealed Tuesday that over the past decade, it has defrocked 848 priests who raped or molested children and sanctioned another 2,572 with lesser penalties, providing the first ever breakdown of how it handled the more than 3,400 cases of abuse reported to the Holy See since 2004.

americancatholic.org/news/clergysexabuse/johnjaycns.asp
Catholic News Service - About 4 percent of U.S. priests ministering from 1950 to 2002 were accused of sex abuse with a minor, according to the first comprehensive national study of the issue. The study said that 4,392 clergymen-almost all priests-were accused of abusing 10,667 people, with 75 percent of the incidents taking place between 1960 and 1984. This goes up to 2002 - a decade less than the study listed above. Nonetheless, still a shocking amount.

Let's compare that with grade school teachers - according to some source, 'sexual abuse committed by teachers' is estimated as 3.5% to 5% - however they are considering 'flirting' as sexual abuse.

nytimes.com/1995/05/21/nyregion/teacher-student-sex-said-to-be-not-unusual.html
t Ms. Shakeshaft's study quoted findings that up to 5 percent of teachers engage in some form of sexual abuse of students, from inappropriate verbal flirtation to intercourse.

Here's a joke for you: What's the difference between acne and a priest? Acne waits till your 13 to come on your face.

You obviously don't know history - or chose to disregard it. I'm assuming you've never cared to read about the Inquistion or the various married, pedophile and homosexual popes. Perhaps you didn't know the Catholic church paid $2 billion dollars to settle with victims of sexual abuse? Of course the children's crusade and the burning of protestants never happened right, despite the Pope's apology for it? There's even a great account of Polish soldiers fighting under Napoleon breaking into a Dominican monastery with the monks and priests saying they did not torture people there. Nonetheless, the soldiers found underground torture chambers.

I am Roman Catholic and I'd argue that I probably know the Bible and church history better than you do. I went to a Catholic grade school, Jesuit high school for 2 years (public the other 2 years), and a Jesuit college - there was no escaping Catholicism and I chose to go to these schools it wasn't forced upon me. Also, I studied theology, the Bible, and the role of the Catholic church throughout European history on my own because these are topics that interest me. Just because I am a Catholic doesn't mean I can't say that we did some pretty messed up things. It's time to admit it and move on. Covering up priests' sexual abuses isn't the way to go. At least our last pope admitted it and finally the church is gradually moving in the right direction - slowly but at least it's better than it was a decade or two ago.

The point is, the Catholic church really needs to think of how they're going to increase the number of parishioners and priests and stop alienating people. Many people want to even attend Church but they don't because of the Church's views on gays, abortion, women, etc. which I find very hypocritical because they won't admit some of the same mistakes that their own people have made. There's even a lot of women or married people who want to become priests but they can't with the Catholic church so they join another organization.

Don't forget, the whole abortion issue is the reason why so many women walked out of Mass in Poland.


You're right. Money does however purchase diapers, books, school supplies, transportation to get to school, a college education, clothes for school, etc. Love of a child and a great couple won't make those things magically appear.


Well, that's why I wrap it up - but condoms aren't 100% effective. I've had one tear on more than one occasion. Good luck telling a young male to be totally chaste and wait till marriage. Would you marry someone without finding out if they're good in bed or not and if they're sexually compatible with you? I sure wouldn't.