Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom?

Can you provide any information on portable ILS? I've never seen one, and would be interested to know more. And if there was such a thing, would you trust it to bring your government officials in?

There was a published NDB approach.

If ONLY BOTH TLS and TAWS were removed/tampered with, how would the plane land?
These are both to ensure proper orientation at landing approach--TLS for the correct PATH approach and TAWS which warns pilots when they are too close to the ground.

Tell me: What would the result be if BOTH of these were not working?

This makes you a prime suspect then....!

Stay on topic. ONE OR THE OTHER IS VITAL for the pilot to land the plane.

TAWS doesn't help you land, it only keeps you from flying into the ground.

The plane would land just like any other non precision approach. You would fly the approach down to a certain height, and go missed if you didn't see the runway. You fly the glide slope based on your ground speed, rate of descent, and distance from a fixed point.

FUEL DUMP NOZZLES...

Hi, I'm a CFI.

Edit: But not a very good one.

CONVEX: Read my last 3 posts, please, if you could be so kind.

I mean, it's obviously you don't know what you're talking about, but I'm really bored.

You don't need TAWS to land a plane.

You don't need a glide slope receiver to land a plane.

You first have to realize, that there are different types of instrument approaches.

avweb.com/news/system/183202-1.html

This is a good primer.

Each one of those approaches will have different minimums that you can fly down to. For an NDB approach, the minimums will be much higher than for an ILS

Is that an order...?

Typing in capitals does not make your statements any less muppet...

BUT FOR AN NDB APPROACH DON'T YOU NEED THE TAWS TO BE FUNCTIONAL?

You don't need TAWS. 99% of small GA planes don't have TAWS.

This was not a Cessna we're talking about.

OLGA....THS IS POINTLESS...YOU ARE ALREADY CONVINCED....THE REST OF US NEVER WILL BE....SO WHY PERSIST...GIVE IT UP...

Why would you compare the presence or absence of components on one type of plane to those of a completely different aircraft? They are built differently for a reason, are they not?

FUEL DUMP NOZZLES..

Is SKYSOULMATE around anywhere? He flies passenger planes, which is exactly what the Tuo-154 was.

i'd make you note that what olga has posted is not evidence, it's just part of the theory she's substaining. And yeah ok these are good argumentations. But can't be called "evidence"..btw on 9/11 there were very similar strongly-builted argumentations..actually i'd say they were even more convincing..!


this is the most racist saying i've ever heard.. that could be fair to say in the previous century maybe..but now..?? I don't actually know what is passing in Putin's mind but what about russians? A significant part of them have shown theirself honestly concerned and supportive toward Poles tragedy. Are we talking about russian population or russian govern in that stupid saying..??


be careful not to read only the article, but also who's writing it... i don't trust that man..


i have to agree this time, but i still need to listen to those firetruck sirenas..nothing can be sure.. X(
anyway, the video is showing some russian police (or military? sorry i don't know) running to the place..so it seems the very first approach to the accident area..is it possible that a firetruck was already coming to the area..?


I've actually read a news on my local newspaper talking about the 3rd black box being made in Poland and thus, being directly decoded and analysed in Poland..isn't it right? Are we talking about the same thing? This news was like 2 days old anyway.


According to what i know, when something happens in any foreign soil, that something have to be investigated by local authorities. I don't find anything strange in Russia conducing the investigations.. And according to news i've read from my Country newspaper and from Internet websites, the investigating committee is composed by both russian and poles experts..so i don't really get your point on all the investigation side.. is there any article stating that the poles experts have said they felt cut out from the investigations?


i thought about that but i bet the pilots would notice that during the flight or at the take-off...or maybe the altimeter was sabotaged during the flight..? ;D


About this matter..i've read Kaczynski didn't take part to the same commemoration Tusk was at in Moscow since he prefered making something more...'in his way'...so i was wondering if that ceremony was actually decently organised..

The approach is what matters, not the plane. Why would you need TAWS or a glideslope receiver for an NDB approach? These approaches only bring you down to a certain height above the runway, at which point you land the plane visually.

some articles stated this, more or less..Tusk landed few days before and security measures were taken..


are we sure that the Tu wasn't used after the revision and before the tragic flight..? Isn't all the instrumentation checked before every take-off?

Here all the videos (including the amateur video and the same amatour video "improved" by removing gun shots and voices and showed by Russians)

and other controversial materials which need to be examine & explain, but not ignored

wolnapolska.pl/index.php/Artyku%C5%82y/to-mog-by-zamach-najwiksze-wtpliwoci.html

Is *SKYSOULMATE* around, does anyone know? If he is, can he help? He flies passenger planes which is exactly what the Tup was. It's not a ground-to air-craft--like helicopters.

What do you need explained? This is aviation 101.

Just logged on and saw this post. In my recurrent training as we "speak" so I'm pretty busy. I'll try to reply later this evening but will have to go through all the replies and questions... It'd make it easier if you could summarize the question(s). Never flown Tupolevs; in my civilian flying I have some Airbus time but mainly heavy Boeings. However an airplane is an airplane...

Also, could someone summarize the "Georgia" incident and I think there was another incident involving Polish military pilots? Ideally I'd like to hear the Polish NTSB's versions of what happened... (National Transportation Safety Board - the US aviation safety investigation arm, not sure what the Polish organization is called)

*SKYSOULMATE*

Here's my summary:

If both the TLS and TAWS were removed/tampered with, how would the plane land? (Not considering any other components).

These are both to ensure proper orientation at landing approach--TLS for the correct path approach and TAWS, which warns pilots when they are too close to the ground. Or aren't they? (Crash site: Look at the angle of approach and how low it was flying).

What would the result be if both of these were not working?

One or the other is critical to landing the plane, is it not? But neither?

During the landing approach, no other instruments are as critical to landing as this, are they not? Which would explain why the pilot would not have reported any instrument errors or malfunctions at altitude. All hell would break loose only upon the approach to land.

For an NDB approach, isn't the TAWS critical?

Article on the TAWS in passenger flight craft--as discussed by the manufacturer of the one that was in the Tup-154 and a crash site investigator:

usatoday.com/travel/flights/2010-04-13-fog-plane-crash-poland_N.htm

Jesus Olga, u really are a flipping nutjob! Or should we be calling you celinski?

Another example of a looney coming back with a different name.

The altimeter and the stopwatch are important :)

Does anyone know where to find this, or if someone already might have this information? If so, could the link be posted? Thanks.