Polish Pope, John Paul II has been canonized today [with John 23rd]

it's simple. point out this "fiction" you speak of, or just stop typing. put down the bible and the giant glass of proverbial Kool-Aid, hang up the rosary beads, and fill us in.

I already did.
You don't know anything about inner working of the church. So, practically all your guesess into the way the church deal with issues are in fact fiction -fibs.

In the USA for each priest convicted, (peadophilia)there are 12 teachers guilty of the same crime? As long as those teachers and schools are not a part of the RCC nobody really cares.

That doesn't make it right - nor does it make the numbers small.


Did the educational authorities hide the perpetrators on their premises whilst lying about their whereabouts? No? Thought not.

For every 1 priest who abuses kids there are 12 teachers who do the same? Well that really shows the problem. There are 46,000 priests and 3,700,000 teachers, so one would expect there to be 80 teachers who are paedophiles for every one priest who is a paedophile. So why are priests six and a half times more likely to be paedophiles than teachers are?

where do you derive your facts about that?

^ One of the posters in this thread, on this very page, came out with the statistic.

I don't even consider Lolek part of the conversation anymore but because his last statement was an argument used by so many other deniers, i'll entertain it for a minute.

Harry's on the right track. also, key word is "convicted". when a parent finds out about a teacher and a child, it's jail time, every time. the same most certainly cannot be said about the RCC. just think, there are countless priests the authorities KNOW.....by name, that molested children.....and yet there they sit, never to serve a day in prison. imagine, some of them were moved to other churches in other locations where they continued to do more of the same thing. anyone think there are any 2nd grade teachers out there that are known child molesters and as part of the solution they just moved them to another school district.....instead of going to prison, as the law states?

ladies and gentlemen, we are talking about a world wide fraternity that outlaws women from being part of the club. that swears to be celebate for LIFE, denying themselves what is quite possibly the strongest urge a man has with food and water its only equal. that wears completely faaaaabulouuuuuus shiny colorful gowns and funny hats. this is evidence of someone SERIOUSLY conflicted in their sexuality.

"that wears completely faaaaabulouuuuuus shiny colorful gowns and funny hats. this is evidence of someone SERIOUSLY conflicted in their sexuality."

To be fair, the clothes most priests wear couldn't be more drab. It is, however, a global disgrace that the Church covered up child abuse comitted by its clergy for decades, if not centuries. Even the most rabid Radio Maryja Polish Catholic can't deny that the Vatican has accepted that fact. Then again, Rydzyks's people are loyal to him first and the Vatican a distant second.

this forum is just more evidence of how that's quite the contrary. look no further than Lolek. "fiction" to him. you and I apparently couldn't possibly understand "the inner workings of the church". i don't know about you but abominable crimes against children need not an explanation.

Just in case anybody had any doubt about the RCC's capacity for covering up evil:
[quote]Mass septic tank grave 'containing the skeletons of 800 babies' at site of Irish home for unmarried mothers
Hundreds of babies and toddlers believed to be buried in Tuam, Co Galway
The site lies next to a former home for single mothers and their children
The children's home was run by Bon Secours nuns between 1925 and 1961
Children were malnourished and neglected, which caused many of deaths
They also died of TB, pneumonia, measles, convulsions and gastroenteritis
Relative of one missing child has filed complaint with local police, the gardai

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2645870/Mass-grave-contains-bodies-800-babies-site-Irish-home-unmarried-mothers.html

Funny that you suddenly find the Daily Mail to be a credible source. If this was a piece on the evils of immigration or telling us that this or that can kill you, I assume you'd laugh it off like many people.

Fair enough:

Washington Post
The Guardian
USA Today
Sydney Morning Herald
NBC News
Reuters
Irish Times
Catholic Herald (specially for you)

Do feel free to attack all those sources for failing to take part in the cover-up you apparently would prefer to have continued.

Really horrible, there's been calls to make it into a crime scene so that the ones guilty will face prosecution.
Hopefully, but being Ireland I'm not holding my breath.

Given that the last of the recorded deaths was in 1961, some 53 years ago, there's very little chance of a conviction even if the will was there.

They still hunt Nazi criminals and bring them to justice. It's all a question of political will and determination, and these poor children deserve justice.

I can only say, believing in everything media are telling you even if you can check facts easily enough doesn't bode well for humanity.

John Paul II has been righly canonized.

ok, so your response doesn't make sense.

it's not media, it's just as you say....fact. make sense or don't type.

Yea, don't believe the modern media, believe a book that was compiled roughly 2000 years ago.

Seems legit.

yes, it goes over your head,


I see, for you news on TV equals ....fact.


If you don't understand don't type.


Could you tell me how the above sentence pertains to the subject debated?

Interesting that you assume that by media, he means the tv news. Also interesting that you seem to think some religious organisation is more reliable than the media.

I'm not sure if you're trolling or serious.

It's really quiet easy to understand.

Figures.


I'm talking about facts. Info available on line, like statistics from governmental organizations. Much more reliable than media spin.


I'm talking about fact versus spin. What are you talking about?

OK, so the Bible is based on fact?
Lol, lol and even more lol.
My favourite fact from the Bible is a child being born of a virgin. No doubt a fact. Yes, a fact. For sure.
But don't forget that this myth was also present in earlier religions that were knocking about and popular before Christianity, a little reseach will show you that........but why am I telling you, you're far too close-minded and blinkered to take the initiative and try to learn for yourself.

What you're saying is ludicrous, you believe that we should believe everything written in a book, that's at least 2000 years old, but shouldn't believe the fact-filed, research-based media.

Yea, seems legit.

Actually you aren't - your just citing unverifiable propaganda from elsewhere. And no, a book from 2000 years ago whose authorship is debated is not fact.

The Bible is a fact.


No, I'm saying that our debate has nothing to do with the teaching of a religion.
I'm arguing media in the case of the RCC and pedophila are selecting facts and tailor them to suit their bias, so called "spin".


I'm talking about facts that can be found on line. Facts provided by governmental institutions (USA). Yes, you are right I didn't cite references or links, I think those people who want to find them will.


I'm sorry I refuse to believe you have never set your eyes upon a bible. :)