The majority were never asked: Do you want a secular state?
There was a referendum. The people voted in favour of a secular state.
Polish police chief removes crosses
There was a referendum. The people voted in favour of a secular state.
Is it that difficult to understand that the Constitution guarantees freedom for all?
sorry but I simply have to reply to that 1, LOL
now DD, is it that difficult to understand that the constitution guarantees freedom for people to freely declare themselves Roman Catholic? ;-) Again, forget definitions, rules and all that nonsense.
YOU ARE WHO YOU SAY YOU ARE !!!
OK, OK keep on fighting ............. bye
delphiandomine 86 | 17823
23 Aug 2013 / #243
Yep. That's the whole point of it - it offers genuine freedom to all, as well as being able to do what you want as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of others.
You can declare yourself what you want, but you can't use your Catholicism to infringe upon others.
You can declare yourself what you want, but you can't use your Catholicism to infringe upon others.
Thank you DD, thanks a bunch. So you agree that the 92.2% of Poles who declared themselves Roman Catholic are what they say they are, despite definitions, rules of anyone at all. I'm glad that we finally came to the conclusion that no matter what others say (whoever it is), we are what we say we are because it's a part of our constitutional right to be who we say we are.
You 're a good man DD, I always knew that ;-)
You 're a good man DD, I always knew that ;-)
delphiandomine 86 | 17823
23 Aug 2013 / #245
Except there's one problem : while they're constitutionally free to declare as such, it doesn't mean they are. I can constitutionally declare myself to be Muslim - am I? of course not.
It's also worth pointing out that simply declaring yourself to be Catholic doesn't mean you agree with crosses in public places.
It's also worth pointing out that simply declaring yourself to be Catholic doesn't mean you agree with crosses in public places.
Except there's one problem
no, there's no problem DD, I already made you a compliment, you don't want me to take it back, right? LOL
I still don't get why it's OK for the state to promote a religious ideology (lberalism) that came out of nowhere, while destroying the one that built the whole country (Catholicism).
We have the children taught Catholicism in public school. How in hell does this deprive Aethists and Muslims of their freedom of conscience? It makes no sense at all.
As if the whole laws and foundations of western society weren't entirely built on Godly principles and values. Secularization grandstanding is nothing but a session of collective suicide, and a game of denial. Separation of the church and state isn't meant to protect the state from the church, but to protect the church from the state.
There is nothing wrong at all with enshrining Catholic principles into law, and it is in fact the preferable option. It doesn't oppress anyone. And if you don't like it, don't try to come here.
I always laugh when I see the anglosphere describing Poles as racists or nazis simply for defending our culture. The anglosphere is so utterly pathetic now, there are no words.
We have the children taught Catholicism in public school. How in hell does this deprive Aethists and Muslims of their freedom of conscience? It makes no sense at all.
As if the whole laws and foundations of western society weren't entirely built on Godly principles and values. Secularization grandstanding is nothing but a session of collective suicide, and a game of denial. Separation of the church and state isn't meant to protect the state from the church, but to protect the church from the state.
There is nothing wrong at all with enshrining Catholic principles into law, and it is in fact the preferable option. It doesn't oppress anyone. And if you don't like it, don't try to come here.
I always laugh when I see the anglosphere describing Poles as racists or nazis simply for defending our culture. The anglosphere is so utterly pathetic now, there are no words.
The Third Polish Republic made the mistake of not adopting the Polish eagle of the only legitmitate Polish government existing in1989 -- the London-based Government-in-Exile. Dunno if everyone knows this, but that eagle wore a crown topped with a cross. That would have solved the problem once and for all. Alas, that did nto come to pass because Roundtable Poland was spawned at Magdalenka and elsewhere behind the scenes as a collusion of atheist commies and atheist KOR-ites . The rest was window-dressing and propaganda.
The above-mentioend eagle may be viewed at: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Poland
The above-mentioend eagle may be viewed at: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Poland
delphiandomine 86 | 17823
24 Aug 2013 / #249
It was never the flag of the legitimate (well...) Second Republic, and it was established that Poland didn't take legal continuity from the Government-in-Exile.
As for the government in 1989 - the people agreed and established that the 1989 Sejm was legitimate.
How strange - Macierewicz was in the KOR, and Lech Kaczynski took part in the Magdalenka talks. Aren't they your PiS heroes? In fact, there's quite a bizarre episode in the KOR history - Kuron and Michnik got themselves arrested at one point after high level talks between the Poles and Soviets, but Macierewicz strangely wasn't arrested. Why?
As for the government in 1989 - the people agreed and established that the 1989 Sejm was legitimate.
Alas, that did nto come to pass because Roundtable Poland was spawned at Magdalenka and elsewhere behind the scenes as a collusion of atheist commies and atheist KOR-ites .
How strange - Macierewicz was in the KOR, and Lech Kaczynski took part in the Magdalenka talks. Aren't they your PiS heroes? In fact, there's quite a bizarre episode in the KOR history - Kuron and Michnik got themselves arrested at one point after high level talks between the Poles and Soviets, but Macierewicz strangely wasn't arrested. Why?
delphiandomine
The orchestrated talks, at the stage-directed propaganda specatcle known as the roundtable and even Magdalenka, looked nice on TV footage, but the real decisions were taken in back rooms with only the inner circle of conspirators present. Macierewicz apparently saw through the KOR-ite clique for what it really was and took his leave in good time.
The orchestrated talks, at the stage-directed propaganda specatcle known as the roundtable and even Magdalenka, looked nice on TV footage, but the real decisions were taken in back rooms with only the inner circle of conspirators present. Macierewicz apparently saw through the KOR-ite clique for what it really was and took his leave in good time.