Will many Poles migrate to Germany in May 2011 (after opening labor market)?

We dont need Germany for progress as much as it needs our skills and labor.

I think its up to the Polish individual to think whether they would like to work in Germany or innovate new ideas and create new jobs in their own homeland.

However ... if someone can get a job in Germany and is desperate enough to wish to work there, they can.

I dont see "many" Poles migrating to Germany unless desperate for money.

Nothing against Germans though ... their country their life ... they did good after being battered in WW2 ...

The messenger isn't the problem, it's about the message!


It's only some muslims! They don't fit into Europe...whenever there are cultural clashes it's between the native Europeans (across Europe) and immigrant muslims.


If it rocks your boat...

I think many Western European leaders wanna see us fail, i mean, not just Poland getting wealthy but other issues. They have a problem with mass immigration ( wont say it but mean non-whites) we don't, so they mingle in our affairs show us on TV as racists say we're intolerant and we should bring those people in, so that we to can have a problem with them, cause they're jealous that we currently don't. Don't wanna see us succeed where they're failed.

Maybe it would help if you wouldn't point so gleeful a finger to good 'ol Europe?

Do you think there is going to be euro-zone in May 2011?

Sure...The Euro is there to stay.

piigs

Portugal will need bailout
Island got bail out
Ireland is in process of bailing out
Greece got bailout
Spain will need bailout

England, Italy, France they all run big deficits and implementing austerity measures on own citizens,
Germany is #2 nation in world for producing wealth as exporting the manufacturing goods
And next question
Do you think the German people will keep bailing out other nation and not revolt and get out of euro or create two tear euro-zone?

1.) We will mope and gripe and scoff but we will bailout if there is no other way.

2.) The Eurozone will be reformed, rules changed, treaties reworked to make sure such crisis won't happen again. Changes are going to happen, that's sure too!

3.) A two tier Euro counts for me as adapting, to secure the future of the euro-zone.
Maybe some countries will have to leave the Eurozone and others won't even become members in the first place because their economies aren't fit for it but the Euro-zone will stay for sure.

Not at least because Germany profits from it mightily! Much more as we suffer from it, bailouts or not!

The Euro-zone was built primarily by politicians with a political vision, it's time to let the economy wizards have their go at it. It needs to be put on real working feet. It won't be easy and it won't be pretty but it will happen.

PS: The German doesn't like revolts that much in the first place....;)

It is impossible to make euro work in long run, you have too many states with their own interest, you cannot give control of your monetary policies to someone else as Germany is effected what Italian gov. does or what Poland does or how much money Ireland will borrow.

I think the experiment is doomed to fail. Bailouts are not for the countries they are for the creditor banks, that is as I see it working

Germany or France lend money to Ireland or Greece then the borrower is near default and the creditors banks will lose the money so they make the governments to bailout the creditors and tax people so banks will continue make profits.

Well...yeah...some were saying that since the beginning!
Oh and they said/say the same about the EU....I think we will survive them all! ;)

European union has a chance as long as everyone controls own currencies

Not everyone!

For many countries sharing the same currency in a real union without borders works, in central and northern Europe for example. And many of those there who are not yet in the Eurozone will fit in well.

But in the South there are other traditions, other cultural values, even different styles of economies working which chafe with the current set of rules which are more made for the northern economies.

One size does not fit all!

Not to mention that the current crisis was made in the US/UK and has nothing to do with the Euro (Ireland for example).
People like to mix things up here...

There things have to will change, adapt. But the Eurozone will in the end be stronger for it once this crisis is overcome and lessons learnt!

I think the mark just might come back and the fourth Reich

Would you like that?

Hopefully many :P

The mark would be good. The Reich - not as good as German Kingdoms. Love them. Cutest castles and princes.

I remember a holiday travelling in Germany as a kid, and everything costed a couple of marks. Now it's tens of Euros.

it won't be good.

i've already got half my family there.

Maybe a new Crusade for preventive purposes ? ;)

Oh I miss the Deutsche Mark :((

I was so proud when I was a little kid and found one on a vecation in Greece...
Later on I lost it and it's in my nightmares to this day...
Bring back DEUTSCHE MARK!!!


Ey.. eyy.. eyy Nobody need's that ****


Some Poles still have the thing's inprinted in them since commie times...
I like the nowadays Germany

Yeah...me too...(and we get to keep our castles nonetheless)

;)

Certain countrie had no business being in the Eurozone at all, Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy and arguably Ireland.
The EU's drive to expand the eurozone at all costs is stupid. Countries like Greece need to be able to devalue their currency (short term pain for long term gain) but if they don't control said currency they can't.

On the other hand the German 'bailout' of Greece doesn't help Greece at all but rather private investors who follow the motto : privatize profits and socialize debt. If Greece defaulted some private investors would have gotten burned but it wouldn't have hurt the Greek people as much as the bailout will.

It was more idealistic than stupid.
The Euro was seen by political idealists as a tool to forge a stronger european union.
Since something like this was never tried before problems were bound to arise.

Surely one could put all the blame now at the US/UK credit crunch crisis but that would only be
halfway true as this only accelerated the inborn frailties of this current euro zone...
Two such diverging economies as for example a high tech tools manufacturing industry needs other rules than a mainly tourism industry economy...that's now a widely accepted fact.

That's why changes have to be made and will be made!

But I doubt that Greece (or Ireland for that matter) will be better off alone all by themselves.
If these countries default without any helping hand people will again resort to fleeing the country and selling their labor in the EU.
Their countries having no chance whatsoever to get back to their feet as nobody will help them monetary nor with investments as the EU will do.

Neither the EU nor the EURO are to blame for their problems but they are their best chance not to fall back into dark times.

The whole thing is an example of rapid development. Does the union have the wealth to spread to all its member nations? we'll see I guess. But it looks as though rather than the expansion benefitting the countries concerned, it is benefitting the individuals who make good in their new country, but leaves social repercussions back home and in their chosen countries. What does it say when everyone wants to shift and leave their country...?

How fickle nationality is.

No it hasn't, as "the union" isn't some faceless entity but all of us members.

Right now it develops into a money-transfer union from the richer, better developed countries to the poorer, less or more onesided developed countries.
Something many people in the "giving" countries plainly resent.

It's a question about how we want this union to be seen.
Even the richest union of this world, the United States of America has poorer states which are always supported by the richer states.
But they have what we still don't have...one country under one flag, the knowledge and feeling to belong to the same nation!
Something many want to achieve with the EU in Europe too...

Right now it seems we have more of the downsides without enjoying the upsides of such a union because we are stuck somewhere in the middle!

It's all abit messy now but necessary on the way of our development as we have to go the whole nine yard in the end to make this thing work.

It seems to be better for the Poles to work in Germany than in the increasingly Polonophobic UK - now a country in a deep economic crisis. And UK is increasingly Polonophobic above all because of the long-lasting and unceasing hate propaganda against the Poles from the media hate-mongers, notably those from the media for the so-called lower classes, such as the Daily Mail and the Daily Express. But also other, allegedly more decent and sophisticated media in UK, have been participating in the onslaught against the Poles. The hate propaganda against the Poles in UK has been going on with complete impunity, with practically NO ONE defending the Poles. Doesn't it say something, for instance, about the UK "human rights" organizations? Also the Tory party, including Cameron, has made some nasty remarks about or allusions to the Poles, hasn't it? The hate propaganda from the Polonophobic media psychopaths in the UK seems to be the main cause of the negative attitude of the British towards the Poles, and connected with it numerous beatings and killings of the Poles, not to mention lesser harassment. I've never heard about such beatings and killings in Germany, where, for example, the local farmers seem to highly appreciate Polish migrant workers, some of the farmers reportedly admitting that without the Polish workers the German agriculture would be much worse off. But I wish above all the Poles could stay and work in Poland. I wish they first of all could leave the UK en masse, giving away the menial and exploitive "jobs" they toil on to somebody else, e.g. the Third World migrants (if even the latter would like to take them).

I expect they wish that themselves too, unfortunately that option is not appealing for many. I mean you Puzzler although Polish spend about two weeks in Poland a year, right?

--- Do you mean me, Krynski? Yes, I travel a lot. So what would that have to do with the quote you've taken from my post?

Sorry, but the Poles have mostly been killing and beating each other. Let's not forget that Poles have been doing nasty stuff to Brits as well.

Try again.

Because they're too busy concerning themselves with Africa. They're obsessed with Africa - I think it's a colonial thing...

I think also that the UK has a different mentality to that found on the continent. This is obvious to some. Perhaps Brits feel more estranged from the Poles. Hell, they are estranged from each other some of them.

I do think that Brits have been pretty tolerant on the whole. How would Poland cope if 1.2 million foreigners turned up overnight, spreading an unfamiliar language and transforming the native culture for better or worse?

It doesn't help that there is already an entrenched class system in Britain, and a large working class establishment which always feels most threatened by immigration and economic crises such as the one at the moment.

It will be interesting to see, it will probably improve relations between Germany and Poland.
I think that most of the people who wanted to leave have left, with ryanair cheap flights there is not such a great difference between Germany and Ireland.

I think Torq and BB had a point that higher skilled workers might leave or even commute for better pay in Germany.
It's a trade off, Germany gets workers and Poland gets experience.
With this it feels like the iron curtain is well and truly down, the separation or distinction between the political "East" and "West" will become more diffused and in my humble opinion this is good for all concerned.

As for the E.U. and Euro, they will stay, it was always a long term investment and I can already see the benifits. And with a world crises there will always be those who only see doom and gloom but that makes no real difference. Not like the 65 Billion Euros Poland is getting between now and 2013, which I see in my daily life from infrastructure to E.U. funds going towards businesses here.

Someone gave an example of an old woman who invested in a restaurant and didn't do well, we can not go by this 'hear/say' individual cases. I know three people/companies that have got (or are getting) millions pf Zloty to start up, or expand their businesses. What does that tell you? Nothing because it is a personal experience.

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I think the restaurant was from a different thread now that I read it again, aw well...