1945-2010 Poles will march on Red square

As soon as few hours Polish soldiers will march on Red square in Moscow.
However polonophobic I am, yet even I, this moment, hope that Poland and Russia will be friend eventually. When it comes to prudence, I leave my specific views out of account, but where is the country in Europe, which suffered more than Poland and SU.

Hope, this common parade will serve us for our furture reciprocal affection.
Hope, you still remember that it was your victory as well.
Hope, you will forgive us some misdeeds towards your country in the past.

S prazdnikom, dear friends and brothers!

French, Italian, British not coming...
only Komorowski the puppet

Kostia, it is not called Red Square anymore. I heard this from a Russian writer who lives in Poland; he called it The Beautiful Square. Is that true?

They weren't present also at the funeral of president Kaczyński and his wife. President Medvedev came and Poles appreciated this. And so Komorowski will be present at the parade in Moscow.

I sense that Poland is being lulled into a false sense of security and partnership. I'd like to feel otherwise but sth is up.

*profoundly shocked*

We have to notify the administration - someone has hacked Constantine's account!

Well, I think Poles know well enough that with Russia we have to have our eyes on the back of our heads ;) But it won't hurt to try and make our relations with Russia better, I think.

The Poles march at 116 steps/min. and the Russians at 122. Since it is in Russia, our guys need to adjust to the hosts.

The French Foreign Legion has this death march step that is a sight, but I don't think they are coming.

Really? I read the Brits send a music band...

It's Saturday night, he's probably tanked. :)

In Russian "red" sometimes, especially in old language, means "beautiful"


It dosen't mean I will cease my attempts of showing you the vanity of polish way.

Oh, as in Krasnaya Kraina? Been there.

Remember, did Poles invade SU during ww2? Were they marching towards Stalingrad or Moscow with the Wehrmacht? Were they not the people who put on their bayonets to fight the Nazis? :)

There are good things to look after if you look closely enough

Reading these posts it appears that the Poles are much more forgiving to the Russians than you are to the Germans. But when one looks at history, the Russians can be just as brutal as the Germans (ex.Katyrn Forest (Sp?)., attacking Polish forces while they were being attacked by Germany, they partitioned your country in cooperation with the Germans, etc.) Why?

Because Russians didn't slaughter 6 million Polish citizens, didn't consider Poles
to be "untermenschen" (something between a man and an animal fit only to
become slaves or be exterminated) but rather their Slavic cousins.

Sure - Russians had their gulags and commited crimes as well, but somehow they
didn't see fit to burn us in crematories or manufacture soap out of our skins - that's
got to count too!

Russians didn't refuse Poles the very right to existence, sure - we were their satellite,
but we had our country and we could use our limited freedom and live, learn and work.

The general attitude of an average Russian towards Poles is one of sympathy and kinship,
the general attitude of an average German is unfortunately still very different than that.

I'm just listening to Miedwiediew's speech on RussiaToday - he makes a lot of sense.

8:33 AM - Poland has just marched :-)

Well ... I saw a lot of men in the Guards' summer outfit with bearskins on their heads "turning eyes right". So unless the Russians put some of their own in these uniforms, I am guessing the Brits were there. Well ... probably those who like complot theories have something else to talk about.

And you know what? I guess I saw AngelaM as well, which gives me reason to believe that at least there are people in this world, who don't only look at what happened in the past, but also try to look forward. Maybe a good idea for some on this forum as well.

Now don't come and whine that he or she lost family members because of what the Nazi's did and so they have the God-given right to still be outraged 65 years after VE-Day. So did my family, but generations change, you know. We have to be vigilant that history doesn't repeat itself, and some don't see that by excluding a whole nation, we are walking down the exact same path.

Have a look at this news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8452937.stm);why would even a radical muslim (whom quite a lot of the people here wouldn't even want as their next door neighbour), be able to forgive his Guantanamo guard when some of the people here (who haven't even lived through WWII) aren't able to look at current day Germans and Russians without wanting to hold them responsible for what their forefathers did?

Just a thought on this Sunday ... .

Paulina, true. However, Tusk is at the helm and he calls the shots!

It's obvious to me but at some political level only.

The average Vanias are rather nice sort of chaps - kind hearted, they believe every fairy tale from dyadya Putin.
And take it for granted - I know it - even our Kostik after expressing his quasi "Polonophobic" sentiments here, uses to start an old VHS video recorder and watch the black and white TV series "Four tank men and a dog".

Urrraaa !!!

LOL! I meant at the political level, yes. Tusk and Komorowski think they are onto sth good, I hope they are not merely misguided. Working with Russia is a nice idea but Poland must think practically and not romantically.

As far as I can tell, they've adopted the old Reagan doctrine of "Trust, but verify". No bad thing, I think.

That is more like it. i second that, good on you.

Well done to our proud eastern neighbor for doing so much to defeat fascism, and having the strength to turn away from communism.

Welsh Guards and a RAF band attended.

Was Obama there or did he have another golf game?

What did Obama need to be there for?

russia is trying everything to avoid the issue of war reparations to Poland.

Well said Constantine. You sound like you have an open mind.

You're suggestion of forgiveness shows that you are humble.

Although I'm sure Russia and Poland will continue to have their differences, its always good for countries that have had tensions, to try to get along.

The past Polish Pope seemed to have a good relationship with the former Russian leader Mr. Gorbachev. Although the Polish Pope didn't like the Soviet Union, he generally liked the Russian people.

Stop! Please stop! No more words further! Don't mention here:

1. Gorbachev
2. Yeltsin
3. Shevardnadze
4. Kozirev etc.

Traitors, traitors, traitors.... My natural sympathy to Poles, for they are, non the less our kin, cannot be extended far to the polish government and policy. I suppose that it is greatly influenced by Anglo-American tendency. Despite the fact that sometimes we feel guilty of the past, it is beyond any doubts we will not stop at next series of partitions, if only this influence will endanger Russian interests.

Jola,
Red=krasny (czerwony is understandable too)
beatiful=prekrasny. Krasny is an archaism for "beautiful", still used poetically though and in set expression like "krasna devica"=a beautiful gal.


Exactly. :)


take on trust you mean?


Whatever you say Boria I don't think it eventually played any bad role. Just try to step into my shoes... I was like 7 years old when watched my first Polish movies with gusto. Yes they probably overshadowed all the pitfalls of our relationship but on the other hand they taught me to see things in friendly perspective.

Sasha, "Chetiriye tankisty" movie created a false picture and understanding of the Russo-Polish relationship among at least two generations of "Soviet people".

And then, after perestroika (oh, how I hate this expression) many Russians were completely surprised - what's going on !? Our eternal friends and brothers in arms don't love us anymore !

You can see the results on Russian Internet boards today.

But it was not the case in Poland - our views were by far more realistic.

Things not so bad there, of course. If you'll analyze who is writing sad comments about Poland, you'll find that many of them do almost the same about Russia in another threads. There is some (in)famous people that must throw some **** to the fan in any thread. Ukrainian nazis is most active...