Pole-basher Gross up to old tricks

You mean it isn't pathetic that some people including you after so many years would even read the only scientific study about jedwabne in the English language, it is very simple go amazon, books and then type jedwabe look for a book written by a historian not Gross (who is not historian by the way), you there.

Instead of defending rumors and gossip!

"someone points out a fact that is uncomfortable for them."

I'm all for pointing out ALL the facts and I think all the victims were equally important. Too bad you've got a problem with that.

So great, Grzegorz that you're all for Gross's book, and for pointing out facts that are very uncomfortable for Polish nationalists.

The only difference between us is that I've got nothing against pointing out facts that are very uncomfortable for Jewish nationalists.

When will you start pointing out facts that are uncomfortobale and inconvenient to the Michnikite camp and your favourite lobby?
Unforutantely we all know the answer: NEVER! Apparently you are intellectually incapable of seeing anything other than your biased set of pet prejudices and taboos.

That post doesn't actually make sense. It seems you're upset when Prof. Gross publishes something against the version of history that you wish was true. And therefore feel the need to "point out" something unrelated...

What history?hes a fkin paris hilton of historians.dikhead will say anything to gain publicity.hes not historian.he made money and fame taking s.it like this.with the help of ppl like you

He can write what he wants, Gross that is. It doesn't make it true, factual or historical. Unfortunately people nowadays are unable to distinguish between fiction and reality, facts and gossip. One would think those who aspire to the title of educated people would know better but seems to me they are first to give in to hysteria.

The only version you except is the wishful thinking churned out by the Michnikite camp of historical falsifiers nad fictionalisers. BTW there are no versions of history -- there is either truth or lies with such shadings as partial truths and partial lies thrown in for balance. Full stop.

Interesting "missprint" in our local Polish paper. "POLACY ZABILI WIĘCEJ ŻYDÓW NIŻ NIEMCÓW." What was probably meant, though misstranslated from the English, was "POLACY ZABILI WIĘCEJ ŻYDÓW NIŻ NIEMCY", as Gross' statement concerned the alleged fact that "The Poles murdered/killed more Jews than (the) Germans (did)" vs. "The Poles murdered more Jews than Germans"!!

For want of a definite article, the meaning in Polish may have been more than slightly skewed. Undoubtedly, Gross issued his statement to the German press in EnglishLOL

One can read his original statement here: project-syndicate.org/commentary/eastern-europe-refugee-crisis-xenophobia-by-jan-gross-2015-09


If you click the link, the quote above has a link to an explanation which goes something like
"let us assume that 30,000 Germans were killed in Poland during the war by the Poles."
" The first killing spree [of Jews by Poles , in pogroms that accompanied the German attack against the Soviet Union and its aftermath in the summer and early autumn of 1941, amounts to several thousand victims.

...
According to estimates by Polish historians, about 10% of the Jewish ghetto population in Poland - some 200,000-250,000 people - tried to save themselves by running away from the ghettoes and hiding on the so-called Aryan side. Out of this population, about 40,000 Jews survived the war. The bulk of the Jewish population killed during this period perished either directly, killed by the Poles (or Ukrainians)

among whom they were hiding, or by being betrayed and delivered to German police outposts by the local population."
(I'd quote the rest but that would break the 100-word rule.)

With such damning facts, it's no wonder that some Poles want to take issue with what Gross didn't say than to address what he did say and what very much appears to be true.

How many reugees Israel took ? Just wonder.

So Poles are now to be blamed for things committed by the Ukrainians? But it's all par for the course. Even the slightest whiff of a Jewish theme and duantless Harry lunges into action, which makes one want to ask himn: incidnetally R U 1 2?

"With such damning facts"

LOL ! In Warsaw Uprising alone Gerries lost +10.000 servicemen. And assumption that ALL non-ghetto Jews were killed by Poles is simply a damn comedy. Grosz = psycho, little nasty man trying to make some extra grosz on his ****** "book".

Normal enough in Poland. make a lot of noise and hope the racket from the mob will drown out impartiality and objectivity. That technique hasn't worked for years.

Gross is stupid... (edit) . The more uproar, protests and controversy, the more books he'll sell. Actually I heard that earlier he had written a fairly balanced book, at least far less biased than Jedwabne and Kielce, but it didn't sell half as well. We live in times when controversy sells.

That's exactly what your kind do. You took some figures totally out of your ass and now want to cream loud enough to make it "accepted".

If we were like you, we would say: "Jews killed 100 thousand Polish Goys". And now prove that they didn't.

Let's be honest, the whole thing will be going on until "Holocaust is paid off".

Might I suggest a trip to the Warsaw Uprising museum?

edited

"Might I suggest a trip to the Warsaw Uprising museum?"

So please kindly provide the "real" figure with sources. I mean the Warsaw Uprising. Not that Ghetto incident.

Thanks for the link:-)

I knew it must have been a typo.

Just had a read of it there.

Don't understand what the problem is really.
Sure it might be uncomfortable reading for Poles, but it is what it is.
If idiot nationalists want to deny that part of their history then that's their problem. Won't change anything, it certainly happened.

"Don't understand what the problem is really."

It's taken out of his ass. You just need to take a look at the "methodology".

Quite. And the more extreme nationalists or Disgusted of Tunbridge Wellski denies facts, the worse it makes them look and the less likely a genuine denial is to be believed.

The problem is that the idiot Polish nationalists give the impression that all Poles deny that any crimes were committed by Poles, which clearly isn't true. They make it look as if the average Pole thinks that Poles did nothing wrong to Jews during/after WWII and thus they drag the name of Poland through the mud and make it seem to the rest of the world that the idiot Israeli nationalists are right about Poles suckling anti-semitism with their mothers' milk (which is clearly utter bollocks).

"the idiot Polish nationalists give the impression that all Poles deny that any crimes were committed by Poles, which clearly isn't true. "

Some other might just claim that this "historian" is talking bullshyt to advertise his "books".

enlighten me bro

I don't know this dude at all, never heard of him until today.
He wrote an article where he linked proof to what he was saying.
If you can show me proof that he's talking out his ass then cool.

So yea, please if you can I'd be interested to see research that contradicts him.


Oh clearly not. I have a couple of Polish friends who are deeply ashamed of what happened after the war. I didn't really know about such things until that film from last year, Ida (a really bad film I must say) reopened some wounds.


Indeed Jon

Yes, it would be easier to do that than to present facts that oppose his viewpoint, especially when the facts are so stacked against the idiot nationalists.

There are no facts whatsoever on his side. One just need to take a look at his "methodology".

"enlighten me bro"

Just click on the link... Harold quoted a part of it in #162

"I don't know this dude at all"

But you now he's right ;))))))

So tell us that Jews did nothing wrong to Poles. What about Stalin's Jewish attack dogs named Fejgin, Berman, Brystygier, Mietkowski, Różański, Braude, Gotman, Okręt, Rubinstein, Konar, Rosner and many, many more. Some tried to disguise their background by using Polish surnames -- Romkowski (originally Grynszpan), Kalecki (originally Tenenbaum), Andrzejewski (Wolf), Światło (Fleischfarb), Przysuski (Salomon), Garbowski (Garber) and many, many more. Each of the departments of the MBP were headed by Jews.

None of that in any way diminishes the guilt of any Poles that did Jews wrong, but let's not forget that it was a two-way street. The blinkered and biased of this world see only one side of the story. (edited)

Everyone - restrain yourself from personal remarks and just focus on the topic please

Are these in any way connected to prof. Gross's book, or are you just trying to say that "it wasn't only us, they did it as well"?