Pole-basher Gross up to old tricks

Even Pole-bashers are entitled to their day in court. Naturally he's going to wiggle and squirm out of any accusations and try to show himself in the best light. That's why others must be vigilant so Zionist/Holocuast Indsutry propaganda does not prevail.

I shouldn't think he'd need to.


a fine one to talk about

I'm starting to think that you genuinely do believe that there was no robbing of mass graves at AR deathcamps! If that is the case, you are one of the most ignorant people I have ever met. Go and read a little about this topic (and no, articles on StormFront or HolocaustDebunker do not count).


No, just your lies about the AR deathcamp which was near where you were brought up and was part of a chemical plant. And your lies about only 15,000 people dying at an AR deathcamp.


Classic Polish reaction: this foreigner has caught me lying about the history of my country, he must be a Jew.


No actually. None of Gross's published works have any statements from people who saw firsthand what we are talking about. But there are numerous sources which do, perhaps you'd care to read some? Might make your lies about the holocaust more believable.

Shows how little you know.


That's just the problem, this foreigner knows next to nothing about the subject matter at hand he concentrates on the top 5 or so most famous and largest of the death-camps which are automatically associated exclusively with Jewish suffering in the mind of the western reader because that suits his agenda, although that is not entirely true either but non the less that's the general perception, propagating and reinforcing the notion that only Jews suffered, clearly having an agenda and what's really disgusting denying his very roots in the process.


Really! What do you suppose started this thread and this debate in the first place? Just to remind you what's it about; Gross inspired by the article in Gazeta Wyborcza in cooperation with the Oxford University Press decided to research similar plunders as described in that particular article and built his work on testimonies of supposed witnesses or perpetrators of plunders around former Nazi Treblinka death camps. That makes you officially a liar in my book, Besides when you partake in the debate you should at least know what's it all about, don't you think?

Gotta love the automatic assumption - just betrays them for what they are, xenophobic, nationalist pigs who are no doubt pleased that Hitler did the dirty work for them.


Even better - means that the people are not only opposing an Ivy League professor, but also choosing to oppose Oxford University too!

Remains to be seen if Oxford decides to take credit, so far that's the rumor in the Jewish press to give it more of credibility. As far as I'm aware February is the release date so let's just wait and see, shall we.

Come on then you holocaust denying liar, tell us the name of the AR death camp at which only 15,000 people died. Back your lie with the name of the supposed camp or admit that you are a liar.


I clearly know far far more than you ever will about this topic. Which is handy, because now I can call you on your lies.


I concentration only on the top five? How could one concentrate on more than five death camps? There were only five death camps. But nice lie anyway!


No, I concentrate on the AR death camps because I know from multiple sources that the mass graves at each of them were dug into by people looking for valuable items to steal. You, on the other hand lie about AR death camps because that suits your agenda as a holocaust denier.


Another of your pathetic lies: if you actually go to any of the AR death camps you will see it is made crystal clear there that Jews were not the only people who suffered. The only time I hear it mentioned that 'only Jews suffered' is when holocaust deniers like you lie about how the holocaust is memorialised.


Your book? Is that your big book of lies? Please name a published work by Gross which contains any such statements. You can't and you know it. You are talking about a book which has not yet been published. But of course you don't need to let a little fact like it being impossible for you to read it stop you from decrying how terrible this book is: it was written by a Jew and covers Polish actions which you want the world to forget that is more than enough for the likes of you. Such a pity that your hero Adolf didn't do a better job with the holocaust: that would have solved your Jewish problem permanently and have given you Poles more corpses to rob.


And yet another lie from you! Here is the OUP website page for the book. Do try harder with your lies please.

Denying what exactly? In fact I'm convinced that you as a homosexual and a Jew would have been in double trouble if you lived at that time, self-abnegation of that which is self-evident of no use, there's simply no way one can obscure or deny the truth. As you can see for yourself, there's no denial on my part of what would have happen to someone like you but I do sense a hesitation of admitting it to yourself. You are who you are Harry, there's simply no reason to be ashamed of that.


Take a look at the author, Contributions by Irena Grudzinska Gross a vested family interest as well as the price for one single photo Price: $16.95, it's not gold they are digging for but US dollar for sure.

You have stated that the death toll at an AR death camp was 7,500 Jews. It is widely accepted that the minimum number of Jews killed at the AR death camp which killed the fewest people was more than more than 25 times that number. You are a holocaust denier.


Perhaps you'd like to suck my cock? That foreskin would quickly prove that I'm not a Jew, although the fact that you were sucking my cock might not go down well with my girlfriend if she came home unexpectedly.


Interesting that you respond to being caught lying in that way. As a matter of fact, the two of them have been writing books together for three decades, but congratulations on your discovery anyway. Oh, and that isn't the price for a single photo but the price for the whole book. Was that another example of you lying or just another example of you being an utter cretin?

What the heck is that ?

I'm not going to make your life any easier, a scholar like yourself should have no problem matching one of the camps with those precise numbers, as I've mentioned before a list is not that big approximately 12000 to go through.


My My Harry keep the sexual fantasies to yourself, I don't need to know about them. It's simply not going to happen, no matter how much you would like it to be so, I'm not one of you besides the act of homosexuality repulses me.

So you won't name the AR death camp at which you claim 7,500 Jews were killed. I wonder if even you are beginning to realise that your lie is utterly laughable.


And yet another lie from you: there were not 12,000 AR death camps, there weren't even 12. But why should you care about the truth? It's so much easier for you to just lie. Not that you have much choice when you want to deny the holocaust.


You got that right: if I were one of you, I'd kill myself.

You're still on about AR death camps just to prove me wrong? Get a life Harry, just because you define something that deals exclusively with final solution than perhaps we should also exclude places such as Auschwitz a very symbol of holocaust and Majdanek etc. from this discussion because these operated as forced-labour camps just like the one I have mentioned and you want it so bad to be a lie. After all their original purpose was not as it was set forth in policy of 1942. Now who's doing the denying here? Go do some research for yourself or brag a bit more about your foreskin because your parents happen to be a none practising Jews or simply to cheap to pay the mohel or better yet write your own version of history, “History according to Harry”, that is. Me bad – you already do that all the time here.

No, I'm continuing to bring up the subject of AR death camps to prove that you are a liar and a holocaust denier.

You claimed that at an AR death camp, one which was according to you part of a chemicals plant, only 7,500 Jews were killed. Kindly name that AR death camp.


We most certainly can exclude them from this particular discussion: I stated that at all of the AR death camps there was post-war digging by Poles for "Jewish gold". I have not studied Auschwitz in such similar detail and as such am unwilling to state with certainty that such digging went on; although I will say that I am almost certain from the what research I have done that it did go on there. I haven't done any research about that aspect of Majdanek but you've made me curious, I think I'll do some.


Yawn. Back with the same old tired lies are you? Try not to expose yourself as such a bigot, child.

I am not questioning the robbing of graves in post-war Poland. Grave robbing is as old as mankind and goes back to the pyramids and beyond. The bottom line is Gross' one-sidedd focus and we all know why. He actually once wrote a decent, balanced book way back when, but such books do not sell. Starting with Jedwabne he found that Pole-bashing pays. Not that he tells only outright lies. It's like the Russian Smolensk reprort -- it conveniently glosses over or avoids things that would put the authors or their clientete/masters in a bad light regardless of truthfulness. So with Gross you'll never hear about turncoat Polish Jews shooting Polish soldiers in the back at the start of WW2, or collaborating with the NKVD and fingering Polish patriots for death holes, dungeons or exile, serving their Soviet masters as self-styled red militiamen, or failing the provide the help to beleagurerd Soviet-occupied Poles that at least some Poles provided to Jews in the GG. For nearly 2 years until the Nazi invasion, ex-Polish Jews in general were in a privileged position in the one-half of Poland annexed by Stalin (and never returned). In the GG, where Poles themselves were hunted and persecuted, Jews received the most assistance including food, concealment and fake documents.

Delphie & Harry lol that sounds like a law firm but seriously I've got a book for you two boys The Turner Diaries by a good well brought up Southern gentleman William Luther Pierce III

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_Diaries

I'm personally wondering why you know about a book considered to be "a bible of the far right".

Betraying your political beliefs, traitor?

So why doesn't a Polish author release such a book? What's the excuse? With Gross, he knows that publishing history books about bad Polish deeds sell very well. Fair enough - I'm sure a book outlining evil Germans would sell well in the UK, or a book outlining evil Russians would do very well in America.

But if you want to use Smolensk as an example - it's the same old story. Poles do something wrong, Poles get criticised, Poles get angry and self defensive. Perhaps following the German example and admitting what you've done wrong could be a start?

Merged: Veteran Jewish Pole-basher rebuked by Polish Foreign Office

In an article published by Die Welt, Jewish-Americna veteran pseudo-historian and Pole-basher Jan Gross wrote that during World War Two "Poles killed more Jews than Germans." Referring to the current migrant crisis, he wrote that "the hideous face of Poles is rooted in Nazi times."

Ministry spokesman Marcin Wojciechowski described it as "historically untrue, harmful and insulting to Poland."
The spokesman said that the Polish Ambassador in Germany would address a letter of protest to the editors of Die Welt.
President of the Warsaw-based Batory Foundation, Aleksander Smolar, called the article "primitive....his words are disgusting and irresponsible," he said.
Gross is known for his distorted portrayal of Polish-Jewish relations, but his outrageous allegations find a receptive audience amongst Pole-hating Jews.

thenews .pl/1/10/Artykul/221053,Polish-Foreign-Min-rebukes-Gross-over-Die-Welt-refugee-article

Gross wrote a book many years ago (in English!) called "Fear" aka "Strach". I read it and it was about Jedwabne.

Is anyone else familiar with this volume?

Yes, it was full of outright lies starting with the alleged number - 1,600 Jews burnt alive in a barn. Investigation showed more like 300 - 350. The book of this sociologist passing himself off as a historian teems with distortions aimed at villifiyng Poles and selling books amongt clueless Pole-hating Jews in America. That financial success prompted him to write up the Kielce pogrom a few years later, and again distortions abounded and the book sold well.

@Polonius, old chum. Whether it was one-thousand or three hundred, it was three hundred too many:-)
Fact of the matter is that Poland engaged in pogroms even after the War had been over, e.g. Jedwabne and Kielce.
Figures may become massaged over the years, yet the pain is never erased!

Leave us not split hairs.

Gerries just paid old junk to sing to their tune...

BTW At least Poles didn't kill as many Jews as Jews killed Poles. Damn criminals.

Even one is too many. As long as 'spokespeople' start huffing and puffing whenever someone publicly discusses a bit of history they'd prefer swept under the carpet, this type of book that challenges this narrative will keep on coming.

Needless to say, it isn't the outraged ministry spokesperson that people believe.

"whenever someone publicly discusses a bit of history they'd prefer swept under the carpet"

True. Too bad it's one sided so far.

See nonsense like that doesn't let me to take you seriously. Are you for real? nay cannot be ...

Read a history book about jedwabne, and come back then, but read it!

Definitely, all murder is wrong. The point is when one side sees only the spinter in someone else's eye and not the beam in their own.... Gross never mentions the not hundreds but thousands of Poles murdered after war by the largely Jew-run secret police. Stalin's willing executioners. Of course there was Jedwabne and Kielce, no-one is denying it, but even the circumstances are presented with Gross' typical pro-Jewish, anti-Polish bias. One of the most outrageous things he said was: "The testimony of a Holocaust survivor cannot be questioned!" That ordeal of that trauma (Auschwitz,e tc.) was a severe shock to the nervous system which could cloud memory and induce amnesia, so that is an outrageous claim for a "scholar".

Or Jewish "partisants" who instead of fighting Germans were often robbing and killing locals...

There are tonnes of such books. "Jews in the SB" (title from memory) by Robert Nowak. But if it wasn't written by one of the Jew.-promoting, sost-on-communims Michnikites, it isn't acknowledged by your ilk. Yes, Nowak is a conservative so you will dismiss it out of hand.

If it wasn't so pathetic it would be funny to watch people every time an issue is raised try to negate it or distract from it by saying that group x, y or z also did bad things. Like people in the So key Union, whenever they perceived something as criticism of their system yelling "but the Americans lynch people".


Yes Grzegorz, very bad indeed that nationalists from Poland try to dominate the narrative, and worse how much they stupidly squeal whenever someone points out a fact that is uncomfortable for them.

How much do you know about Stalin's willing Jewish executioners in Poland? The Michnikite camp has effectively swept it all under the carpet, preferring to hgihlight only one side of the debate. Neither do you ever mention Jewish crimes against the Polish nation. But if you're not the biased. horse-blinkered bigot you claim not to be, now's your chance. Read up so you can discuss with some susbstantive knowldge, not hearsay, prejudice, ubran legends and judaeophilic bias.