Pole-basher Gross up to old tricks

Polish-Jewish emigre sociologist Jan Gross has concocted yet another tale designed to villify Poles. The Golden Harvest tells about how Poles allegedly scavenged the site of the German Treblinka concentration camp in search of Jewish valuables. Gross was inspired by an article in (guess where!) Wybiórcza.

And so what if they did?

I would be rather shocked if they didn't, actually. Given the circumstances of the time, and the utter desperation of people - what's so horrific, or shocking about them trying to find valuables at Treblinka?

At least those people were brave enough to do such a thing, instead of running away and betraying their country.

War is hell and brutalises all people, but Gross tendentiously zeroes in only on the real, exaggerated or imagined offences of Poles. On the other hand, he twists, bends and writhes to come up with excuses for why many Jews stabbed Poland, the country which had been their people's safe haven for centuries, in the back in 1939 by collaborating with the Soviet enemy.

And? There's plenty of books out there that focus on how horrible the Nazis were, or how vicious the Soviets were. His choice is to focus on his own people.

I suppose what makes it much worse is that he's daring to go against the old maxim of "you do not criticise Poland under any circumstance".


Safe haven? I suspect Jews in Lwów in 1919 would have a thing or two to say about Poland being a safe haven for them. Let's not forget the rampant anti-semtism of the 20's and 30's.

Sorry, but perhaps this a story that should be told. Poland finds it hard enough to come to terms with her history, without endless censors demanding the right to censorship.

If it's not true - then write a book about it disproving it.

In this case sadly real. He is a highly respected, academically rigorous historian


Rather like some of the dodgy rebuffs that appear in the right-wing media to his work.


With bigoted pond-life like you as his only opposition he has nothing to worry about academically - the same old arguments - you may as well ask why so many Poles betrayed Poland "the country which had been their people's safe haven for centuries" by joining the Communist Party - ten percent of the nation, very few of them anything other than normal gentile, catholic Polish.

In any case - he doesn't write about the very brief Russian occupation of eastern Poland - are you suggesting he only writes about areas of history you want to hear about and avoid those you don't?

cry me a river Polonius3?

I bet you would have looked great in a Blue Police uniform.

Of course.

I find it hilarious that the ones who are so strongly anti-Communist are the ones who promote Communist practices such as censorship of books.

Good on him though - he's managed to achieve mass appeal by not only appealing to the holocaust industry, but also the Polish do-no-wrong-complex. Quite clever, if you ask me - it's rare that history books enjoy such mass appeal.

Delph, as often I do agree with you. Although I have to admit that Gross sounds a bit "preachery" at times and wants to press his message home too much.

One of his best books I think is "Revolution from abroad", about the Soviet invasion of Poland in 1939.

Of course - I suspect that it's just commercial concern that he does so. When you think about it - the more he pushes the "evil Poles dug up Treblinka" line, the more that he shocks Jews and Poles - both of whom will buy the book as a result. The fact that it's even being talked about says that he's done a good job.

Interestingly, it seems that the source for the Gazeta Wyborcza article was the director of Treblinka site today. Are you telling us Polonius, that the director is lying?

Interestingly, it seems that you mix Gross with Gazeta Wyborcza. Are you telling us delphiandomine, that Gazeta Wyborcza and Gross are the one?

I think it's quite clear that anti-semtism and Gazeta Wyborcza hating are indeed one and the same.

I hope this a'sshole Jew doesn't live in Poland anymore.

Can you tell us something more about anti-semitism. For now I understand that in your opinion everyone who doesn't like Gazeta Wyborcza is anti-semite.

Why would a Jew with any sense want to live in Poland...??

Why don't you ask delphiandomine, sobieski and jonni.

Not having read the book, I wonder if he makes the scavenging out to be something anti-semitic or whether he shows it as an act of survival.

The problem is that reviews and hearsay can distort whatever he writes into some kind of banal over-exaggeration.

Has anyone read it yet?

Yet again you begin your anti-polish rants, Gross is not a historian, check what he graduated at?

As for Gross his previous book was filled with lies, he inflated the number of victims over ten times for example, quite a few people who's testimonies were in the book were proven to be made up by the author...

He's a prejudiced Jew with an agenda and making money off his anti-polish bias.

The most pernicious influence that Jan Gross's new book is likely to have is not in Poland at all but rather in Palestine. Portrayals of Poland, which was the homelandland of the majority of world jewery before WW2, as an unsafe anti-semitic place are used by Zionists to justify the denial of Palestinian human rights such as the right of the refugee to return to his home.

The Zionists' horrible calculation is as follows: Jews were hated in Poland and so they must have their own sovereign state with a Jewish majority in Palestine. This Jewish majority was achieved by expelling around one million Gentiles from Palestine in 1947-1948. These non-Jewish refugees if granted their right to return would make Jews a minority in Palestine and thus they cannot return because Jews are more important than them. Zionism in short is racist and this book, and others like it, are used to claim Zionism is warranted by Polish racism. Of course two wrongs do not make a right, but never mind that. The Zionist argument is obviously unsound, but irrationality is part and parcel of racist colonial enterprises.

Nice to see you talk about your fellow countrymen in that way.


I know plenty of people who dislike Gazeta Wyborcza and yet like Jews - or mostly, have no opinion about them.

But funnily enough, all the haters are also anti-semites. Coincidence? I think not. It must drive them wild that a Jew wrote a book on the basis of something written in Gazeta Wyborcza :)


But of course not.


Many prominent people graduated in different things to what they graduated in. It's only really Poland (and stuck-in-communist-people, at that) that thinks that you need a paper from a university in order to be something. Heck, many prominent Polish journalists on all sides graduated in something other than journalism!


Nah, he's a Pole who understands that to sell books, you need to create controversy. And what better than appealing to the holocaust industry AND the Polish victim complex? The fact that he's a Pole that's betraying his homeland winds up the other Poles who betrayed their homeland too - so it gets even better.

I notice that no-one has yet denied the authenticity of the picture in question.


Let's be honest - with so many people blaming Jews for everything from 1919 onwards, even right through to the current day, it's hardly a safe place for them. Thankfully, most of it nowadays is just bedroom brownshirt action.

No surprise from my side.


What picture in question? Can you expand it bit more?

The whole book is based on one picture. Surely you know this?


No surprise that Gazeta Wyborcza haters are anti-semites? No, no surprise from me either.

I mean are you serious? Whole book is based on one picture? Such a statement is too radical don't you think? Again what picture?

F**k him. Just like a Jew. Ungrateful pr**k Poles saved thousands of his ugly people and he goes and blames us for their suffering, every other country in Europe showed them the rear we took them in, let them live there for centuries and this is the thanks we get.

Ah, the anti-semite villager in you comes out again!


Actually, they saved thousands of their fellow citizens. Nothing more, nothing less. Incidentally, he's not blaming you for anything - have you read the book? No? Didn't think so.


I think you need to brush up on your history - they most certainly weren't too liked in the II RP!

He's blaming my people that's blaming me


Yes i know but they still remained there and didn't leave

delphiandomine
Let's go back to main topic. So you were saying Gross made up story on the base of one picture. I have to admit he is very creative no surprise he is half Polish: Jan T. Gross was born in Warsaw, Poland, in 1947 to a Polish mother, who was a member of the Polish resistance (Armia Krajowa) and a Polish-Jewish father who was a PPS (communist party) member. Didn't you say AK is responsible for killing Jews?

Anyway can we return to the topic.
Here is something for you: Adam Michnik editor-in-chief of Gazeta Wyborcza and Jan Gross in 1967.

Yeah this is just another book by the "Holocaust Industrialist" Jan Gross to put more cash in his bank acccount and others like him. Norman Finkelstein who has written the book "Holocaust Industry" has said Jan Gross is a Holocaust Industrialist.

Of course the anti-Polish Lefty Holocaust Industrialist newspapers like the New York Times will say this book is the best most wonderful book on the face of the earth, etc etc.

This is just another attempt by the Lefty Polish-Hater propagandists and Holocaust Industrialists to place the blame of WWII away from Nazi Germany and onto Poland. We have already seen this with the BIG LIE anti-Polish mass media propaganda campaign of the media calling Nazi German death camps - "Polish death camps".

This is all part of the media's anti-Polish conditioning and the media (Leftist) just loves Jan Gross for his hatred of all things Polish.

So what next are these Polish-Haters going to say next about the Polish, that Adolf Hilter is Polish?

So why is Gross stopping here? When is Gross and his fellow anti-Polish bigots in the Holocaust Industry going to come out and say that Adolf Hitler was Polish?

Then they can really rake in the cash for the Holocaust Industry.

Jan Gross has about as much honesty and integrity as these Holocaust Industrialist Scammers.

fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/november/holocaust_110910/holocaust_110910

Don,t worry , nobody will believe whats in these books...I mean , Polish people doing anything wrong , its just not possible is it....?

Well...it was already hinted at some jewishness...hmmm..

;)